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Community Vote Rigging Situation?

A topic by TheEpikFlipper created Dec 20, 2023 Views: 526 Replies: 26

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TheEpikFlipper197 days ago (2 edits) (+3)

This isn't gonna be a long in-depth statement of any sorts, but as a bystander I just wanted to say there was definitely some rigging involved with the votes. I can confidently say that 2nd place was not better than Pizza Rivals, Tamers Stuck in Dungeons, or other high quality submissions. Not quite sure if there's much depth to scrolling around a plain round map and hitting enemies.

All I'm saying is that this needs to be urgently fixed, especially since it involves money.

(Edit: I do find it weird that there's low quality games like Asteravoid and SkyStacker, and I slightly think they're being used as filler games so they can rate *won't say* high. Specifically since the potential filler games are the only games on the account. Also, the accounts of these games were created 26 days ago, proving they're not just blank profiles.)

AndrewSubmitted197 days ago(+1)

It's pretty simple, but plays well, addictive and pretty solid, so it's all subjective.

aruther197 days ago

It plays so well, that it deserves 1250 dollars? Nah.

AndrewSubmitted197 days ago

That's not the right wording.
If the participants voted that way, then maybe.

aruther197 days ago

It could be rigged, and most likely is. The game sticks out like a sore thumb, and it isn't even close to the quality of Arcane Tactics. Also, participants votes do not always reflect the quality of a game, as everyone has different opinions and experiences. It gets even worse when there are no precautions against spamming 1 star votes on other games with different accounts.

AndrewSubmitted197 days ago

"Also, participants votes do not always reflect the quality of a game, as everyone has different opinions and experiences. It gets even worse when there are no precautions against spamming 1 star votes on other games with different accounts."
Exactly, but either we use community votes and accept above, or we need a jury, which can also have its flaws.
Or you know another solutions?

aruther197 days ago

Let judges choose from the top 10 or 20 (depending on the size of the game jam) and decide the winners of prizes after the results are finalized to ensure games being left out due to unfair tactics. Its not perfect, but its better than what most game jams do, and definitely better than what BIGA did.

AndrewSubmitted197 days ago

It's an option, but this should be in rules before jam started, as some of the winners can be disappointed.
Usually good to have few places by community votes and few nominations from judges.

JosephGallearSubmitted197 days ago

from what it sounds like in the discord, the results might not be final anyway. but i feel like im getting hate just because you didnt like my game. it isnt up to me where my game gets placed, what am i supposed to do about it

TheEpikFlipper197 days ago (1 edit)

You literally just explained the point of a game jam, you don't know where you're going to be placed. And that's where rigging comes in, which I'm gathering is what you did to change your fate. I don't know though. Correct me I'm wrong.

JosephGallearSubmitted197 days ago

surely the results are just up to the judges though, they can do what they want and don't have to respect the community vote? i dont understand what you think i can do to influence that, are you saying that the whole thing is rigged?

TheEpikFlipper197 days ago

You've stated that you voted, I'm not sure what you mean that the results are just up to the judges. In fact, BIGA clearly stated in the description of the game jam that it's up to your peers to determine which games will make the cut.

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JosephGallearSubmitted197 days ago(+1)

hey, that was my entry that came 2nd. i think i voted pretty fairly on all of the games that i played, and i doubt my votes would be enough to make a difference anyway? i know my game is simple but i was happy with how it turned out. i agree some games were more fun, but there were also points for storyline and theme, so maybe that had a impact

TheEpikFlipper197 days ago

There was no rivalry, and the story is pretty vague considering it's a singular sentence.

JosephGallearSubmitted197 days ago

of course there is rivalry, what do you define as rivalry? the game is about gladiator combat

the story was simple yes, but ive seen many games not include any story at all. there were plenty of games with better stories than mine i agree

TheEpikFlipper197 days ago

The way you used the rivalry was (no offense) lazy, so rounded it down to being no rivalry. You can't place a killable enemy into game and call it rivalry, there's more unique ways to pull it off.

JosephGallearSubmitted197 days ago

most of the games in this jam used that implementation of rivalry. i chose a gladiator theme because i think it's a good representation of rivalry, and i tried to give the player a grudge against the soldiers through my story, as short as it might have been

ilias's Crafts And ToysSubmitted197 days ago

Hi guys,

how are you doing?

I'll try to share my insights on the matter.

Basically, I received the most ratings; I believe it was 29 ratings in total, in addition to over 40 comments, I think.

Most of the feedback and comments were positive, with good interactions.

I honestly presumed, without any second thoughts, that I was winning the first place. However, I think the Itchio rating system doesn't work like that.

One of the Biga Arcade team members (BIGA Dev ) mentioned on Discord that the participants of last year's jam wanted ratings instead of judges judging entries.

I honestly think that it's fairer and more professional to have adequate results come from judges judging the entries. But, again, in defense of the Biga Arcade Team ratings were demanded by last year's participants, so Biga Arcade listened to last year's feedbacks and tried to improve their system.

While the idea of the ratings being rigged is understandable, I don't think it can be proved.

If it can be proved, I suggest letting the Biga Arcade team know your point of views and demand an investigation.

But if you want it to be investigated, it should be before the determination of the winners.

If the winners are already selected, it wouldn't be fair to change that. It wouldn't be fair to the winners and wouldn't be fair to the competition and game jam itself .

Thank you in advance for interacting .

-Ilias.

TheEpikFlipper197 days ago

I also think judges' vote is more reliable, since it'll probably be more fair if you get an organization to judge instead of the public. Plus, the judges' aren't actually competing for anything, so there's no need to be unfair.

JosephGallearSubmitted197 days ago

i agree that i think it should be up to the judges, it makes the most sense because they are giving out the prizes

ilias's Crafts And ToysSubmitted197 days ago

Apparently, it's time-consuming for them as they are focused on developing the platform. As mentioned, with so many entries, playing/testing out all of them and providing feedback and reviews on each, in addition to rating all of the entries, would require time.

KezgwarnJam Judge196 days ago(+2)

I would have personally preferred taking the top 10-20 from the itch votes and then giving them to the biga community to vote their favourites, after all, they're ultimately the people who will be playing these games on the Arcade and can't be considered bias, plus we love getting the community involved lol, will have to consider this system for BIGA Jam 3.0

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BIGA JAM V.2 - $5000 Of Prizes

Community Vote Rigging Situation?