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I think that in artist community there is some type of allergy towards AI, but I still think they do not compete with each other, and AI can have a use case. And this jam is a great example, yes theoretically you can be extremely talented in programming, storytelling and art. But in most cases people are not. So yes, theoretically I could commission +800 (for example) pictures from the artists, and they would look great, but no artist will be so fast this would cost a lot of money.

Still, AI makes mistakes, art looks kidna the same etc etc, but this is a better alternative when you can't afford to commission art. AI art is better than no art at all. And I say this a regular user, there are a lot of text-based games and playing them is very painful for me, I recognize that AI art is not a quality art, but for my brain it's better than nothing. (I have very bad case of aphantasia lol xddddd)

Great example is Redemptions Keep, almost all art there is AI generated, and without it, it would have just a plain text, and only this changes this game for me from "painfully playable" to "very enjoyable". I'm just asking you to look at it from the perspective of people like me.

Aquiliqex27 days ago(+13)(-3)

Personally, I beg to differ. Giving text-based games AI-generated art isn't an improvement. With or without art, it shouldn't be painful if you're using your imagination. I'd assume you have seen more than enough art to visualise what is being written. Regardless, saying AI art is better than no art is entirely untrue because art comes with its own meanings and interpretations and since AI art wasn't specifically made for the game, there will be a disconnect between the art and what's written.

So no, AI isn't better than no art, I would rather just read and imagine it for myself than let a janky AI image determine that for me

nivada9426 days ago(+3)(-8)

That is good, but to outright ban ai instead of like i said have games use the tag of [ai Assisted] gamename or [Ai image generated] gamename

instead of the outright ban would be better, you could still avoid games with AI art or text or other stuff in it that way, without the need to ban it completely, it isn't that big of a deal last year the contest had only one thing with ai in it. In like 20 + games. So it would be easy for people to avoid it.

I think that is a better way to do it then outright banning it outright.

rlocks26 days ago(+8)(-2)

Banning it outright is the better option id say, we don't want to let AI in our community at all, especially when it comes to stuff made to show the creativity of artists.

SkyCorp26 days ago (1 edit) (-8)

Itch titles / game tags are pretty limited space, but game jam creators can make custom fields, so that'd be a good spot for an AI field

Aquiliqex6 days ago(+2)(-2)

Asking for AI art to be paired with regular art is like putting IRL sports in the same category as Esports. If you want to make an AI game so bad, just make an AI game Jam

UserofLosers26 days ago (1 edit) (+2)

Reading this comment I realize that I trying to come up with ideas in my head is literally painful. Still gonna do it manually, my brain needs excercise, not gonna use AI, but this is something I should probably talk to my doctor about., probably lack of sleep, I made the mistake of getting an energy drink mix instead of a drink mix

ThePrinceSilver25 days ago(+10)(-1)

I worked on Redemptions Keep and the game before it Demonlord's Lair as a writer. The creator, Pomi, and I each agreed that AI art was essentially a crutch to lean on since neither of us had the art skills to actually include actual art. Eventually I moved on from the game because I saw how bad AI art was becoming, and slowly he has too. He draws his own art now and has improved because of it, even beginning to turn away from AI and now using hand drawn assets for his games. If he had continued using AI the whole time he'd never have improved on his own personal art skills and would've kept leaning on that crutch the entire time. Is AI art and content easier? Sure, but at the end of the day you're only hurting yourself from improving by using it. A game jam should be an opportunity to improve, and AI doesn't let you do any of that

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