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"space" is a word with many meanings. In the context of games, it is about outer space. Usually science fiction. Often with space ships.

Therefore the blue "space" under the "3d" was quite funny. It might have been intended as spatial (пространственный). Translating tags is tricky.

The usual abreviation is three-dimensional and not space. And even that gets shortened to 3d.

The issue is, that tagging a game "3d" is not the same as saying it is a three dimensional game. If I talk to you and say, let's play this new 3d game, the meaning is clear. But no one is talking to you, when you just read a bunch of tags that are attached to a game.

If I see turn-based in addition to 3d, and no third-person, first-person or fps, or walking-simulator, I will not assume that it is a "3d game". At least not the game play. There are platformer 2d games that have the character model rendered in 3d. Would they qualify for "3d game". I would say: no. But they totally qualify to be tagged with 3d.

About the categories. Whatever word you use in your language seems to have not the exact same meaning in English. There is no fixed meaning what you can call a category, other than that you use it to group stuff together. Genres can be categories. Actually, on itch the selection says this: Genre Select the category that best describes your game. You can pick additional genres with tags below

So whatever you think a category is, itch thinks, games can have more than one.

Tell me what the 3D and 3DCG tags mean in games.

I already did, but here again: it means that the chooser of the tag was of the opinion that the tag was appropriate. Nothing more, nothing less.

What you really want to know, is, what to expect of a game tagged by this. For 3dcg I expect an adult game with rendered pics. For 3d I expect the game having to do something with 3d. I argued early in this thread, that I believe the 3d tag to be superflous. It is not even tagged on many 3d games on Steam, while they do have 20 tags and not only 10. If the main aspect of the game is, that it is a 3d game, third-person or first-person or fps or walking-simulator are better tags.

This is for the popular game Cyberpunk. That is a 3d game. But no 3d tag. Infact, the 3d tag seems to be used so seldom, that you believed, Steam does not feature it.

The next tags are for God of War. If those tags are ranked by popularity, 3d is second to last.

I understand exactly what the 3D tag on itch means.

That is a suggested description, not a definition. And that description is bad. Switch from games to comics. It will read the same. Yes, there are comics tagged 3d. The only thing the description does, it spells out what 3d stands for. Three dimensions. And then it goes in a circle.

What would be a 3d comic for you? You seem convinced that there is such a thing as "3d game" as a fixed term. There might have been, and there might still be, but other grouping words are more popular. From my experience, for this type of game, fps is the most common term, even if no shooting occurs. In recent years, walking-simulator seems to be the word for fps without shooting.

There is a reason why I recommend those: first person, third person, walking simulator, fps, fps-platformer and later Unreal-engine, and the made in labels, for example 3dsmax ( https://itch.io/game-development/tools ). And that reason is, that the 3d tag is often useless, as you also have found out.

If there was a 3DCG tag next to the 3D tag, I would put the second one.

You would. But would most devs do that too? And would they do that retroactively? 3dcg is known to me and you. If they know it too, they might know that usually adult games use it. Just look at the devs using it, not a single one used it for a non adult game. Not even one.

I'm complaining because the administration doesn't understand what I'm trying to convey. I'm not asking for anything outrageous. Just add a new tag. Is that so hard?

As was explained to you, that is not a thing the administration controls. Nor were you talking to administration here. This is community. That mod is not itch staff. He does forum moderation. And itch chose not to control it, it is their tagging system and they decided to give the power of tagging to the developers that publish the games. And the developers will see this, if they look for it on the faq:

You're allowed to add free-form tags to your project page to aid in discovery. Please choose tags that are relevant to your project.

Prefer using a suggested tag over creating a new one. We make the suggested tags easier to find. If nothing fits then add your own, we may even promote it to a suggested tag.

Personally, I believe the tag is not important, because 3d became "cheap". So what is the point in boasting 3d graphics. The more interesting fact is perspective and content. Cyperpunk has tag first-person, and God of War has tag third-person. On Steam, by popular vote.

Visual novel is a genre, but it will still get filtered out by this. You can filter a single tag/genre. Write it as seen in the url.

But to find "3d games", you will be better off by searching for perspective, imho.

?exclude=tg.visual-novel

https://itch.io/games/tag-3d?exclude=tg.visual-novel

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K14M1 year ago

"space" is a word with many meanings. In the context of games, it is about outer space. Usually science fiction. Often with space ships.

Are you a complete idiot? It says 3D and at the bottom it says space and a link to the article "3D computer game". What the fuck is space? Three-dimensional space. Where the fuck is space? There's not a single space game on that site.

(spatial)? Well, you're an idiot. You should at least read in which cases this word is used and what it means.

Propositions with the word "spatial"

In such a context, the transfer of the capital, being an important component of the change of the spatial structure, can become a noticeable factor and a prerequisite for the change of political principles.

Vadim Rossman, Capitals. Their diversity, patterns of development and relocation, 2013

Thus, the space of autonomy is a new spatial form of networked social movements.

Manuel Castells, The Power of Communication, 2013

Theoretical problems of organizing the spatial movement of economic flows in the real conditions of modern economic environment constitute the main content of general logistic knowledge.

И. D. Afanasenko, Economic Logistics. Textbook for universities, 2013

Quotations from Russian classics with the word "spatial"

Being became sick: everything became temporal, i.e., disappearing and arising, dying and being born; everything became spatial, i.e., limited and alienated in its parts, close and distant; it became material, i.e., heavy, subject to necessity; everything became limited and relative, subject to the laws of logic.

Berdyaev N. A., Philosophy of Freedom, 1911

The spiritual and cultural decentralization of Russia, which is absolutely inevitable for our national health, cannot be understood as a purely external spatial movement from the metropolitan centers to the backwoods provinces.

Berdyaev N. A., The Fate of Russia, 1917

So, in order to conceive of human action subject to one law of necessity, without freedom, we must allow for the knowledge of an infinite number of spatial conditions, an infinitely great period of time, and an infinite series of causes.

Tolstoy L. N., War and Peace. Volume Four, 1873

Combination of the word "spatial"

spatial pocket
spatial relations
spatial orientation
spatial scanner screen
spatial corridor arch

No one uses the word spatial in the context of number of dimensions. Even in your own language there is the phrase "three dimensions of space". Or "space-time".

The usual abreviation is three-dimensional and not space. And even that gets shortened to 3d.

And the full text, three dimensions of space. If the tag is called 3D, how to specify in one word that it is about three dimensions? Right, add the word "Пространство".

The issue is, that tagging a game "3d" is not the same as saying it is a three dimensional game.

And after saying that, you're lying to me that you understand the meaning of the 3D tag? Tag three is, you stupid idiot, THREE dimensions. If there are no THREE DIMENSIONS in the game, it's not 3D!

If I talk to you and say, let's play this new 3d game, the meaning is clear. But no one is talking to you, when you just read a bunch of tags that are attached to a game.

I run the tags in my head reading them myself. Example tags.

[2019, SLG, 3D, Constructor, ADV, School, Tiny tits, Big tits, Anal, Oral, Group, Uniform].

I'm reading this to myself and I'm insightful. Yep, the game of 2019. A simulation game (SLG means simulator). The game is three dimensional (there's a 3D tag in there). You can construct something in the game (usually meaning character constructor). The game is about school. And so on. I read each tag and realize what exactly is in this game.

If I see turn-based in addition to 3d, and no third-person, first-person or fps, or walking-simulator, I will not assume that it is a "3d game". At least not the game play. There are platformer 2d games that have the character model rendered in 3d. Would they qualify for "3d game". I would say: no. But they totally qualify to be tagged with 3d.

No, that's 3D, too. A platformer in which the environment and character are flat pictures (sprites), completely 2D. A game where the character or the background (or all together) is a three-dimensional model is a three-dimensional game.

There are visual novels where both the background and the character in the background are pictures. And there are rare games where the background is a picture, and the character is a three-dimensional model. And well animated model. And this is a three-dimensional game.

You won't argue that Resident Evil 1996 is a three-dimensional game, will you?

Are you having trouble with a 3d platformer because there are 3D models but you can't rotate the camera? And what then to speak about visual novels there are only pictures, animations and videos. There are no three-dimensional models at all. Can such games be called three-dimensional?

About the categories. Whatever word you use in your language seems to have not the exact same meaning in English.

The categories are best told by a live example. You have a real physical object. I don't know, a plate, for example. You have to put it into some category (put it in a drawer when you move to another apartment). Where do you put the plate? Probably in a drawer labeled "kitchen" or "utensils." That's it, you've already put the plate in that category, you only have one plate, you can't put one item in two different categories.

And now the tag (or label, they're synonyms). You can put the plate in any box you want, and put stickers on the box - plates, utensils, kitchen, fragile, do not drop, and so on. There are many tags, one category.

I already did, but here again: it means that the chooser of the tag was of the opinion that the tag was appropriate. Nothing more, nothing less.

So the tag by itself doesn't mean anything? Authors add tags to themselves not because tags have a definition, but because.... I don't know, the letters in the tag are pretty? 3D looks like a smiley face with glasses. Or because this "smiley face" is often used, so I'll add it for myself.

Is that the principle behind tags? Add a tag because you like it, not because it has a definition?

For 3d I expect the game having to do something with 3d.

You're an idiot. You've proven it again. Where in that tag does it say this game has to be for adults? It doesn't follow from the tag itself. The tag just means that the game is entirely based on rendered images. That's it. The game can be completely childish if the author wants it to be. The problem is that games with such graphics are usually made with adult or erotic content by people who can't draw. It's their choice to create graphics like that. But it doesn't mean that they are obliged to create adult games if they chose this type of graphics creation.

I argued early in this thread, that I believe the 3d tag to be superflous. ...If the main aspect of the game is, that it is a 3d game, third-person or first-person or fps or walking-simulator are better tags.

In some cases, it's important to know if the game is 2D or 3D. The fact that it is three-dimensional is its main feature. There are first-person, second-person and third-person games. But these tags are not suitable for all three-dimensional games. How can I explain this to you. Let's go back to adult games. There's a game called Koikatsu. You know it? In this game, the only guy is transferred to an all-girls school. It's a three-dimensional game. Is it first-person or third-person? Just to remind you, during the sex scenes, the camera is free to move as you please.

Let's take another game as an example. So-called sex simulators. There should obviously be different poses, different actions of the player and different responses to these actions. How to build such a game? You can make a completely two-dimensional game, like the old flash games. But that's boring. You can use "modern" Live2D animation. But in inexperienced hands it looks crooked. Or make a three-dimensional game. Of course for the player is likely to be better to play a three-dimensional game.

Next. Visual novels. They tend to be two-dimensional with flat pictures. But I've seen a few fully three-dimensional visual novels. Or, there are regular visual novels but with fully three-dimensional sex scenes where you can randomly rotate the camera. And this feature could be a major feature of the game.

There are cases where the presence or absence of three-dimensionality is a key feature of the game. Another example. A two-dimensional game was released, and then the developer made a new version of the game (the second part) and put the game fully on three-dimensional rails. This is the key feature of the new game compared to the last part.

Therefore, it is important to specify the three-dimensionality of the game is not appropriate other tag implies three-dimensionality

On the site tags first-person and third-person, not only three-dimensional games are marked.

This is for the popular game Cyberpunk. That is a 3d game. But no 3d tag.

There's another important tag in there. FPS. Shooter, first-person. Are there any 2D first-person shooters?

And you're also missing one very important detail. Cyberpunk is a huge, high-budget game that's been advertised on every radio. Only a man living in a cave would be ignorant of it. Everyone knows it's three-dimensional. Moreover, on the game's page there are videos where you can see that the game is three-dimensional.

The only thing the description does, it spells out what 3d stands for. Three dimensions.

Is there a manga on itch? 0_0

And I repeat my question, are you sure you understand the meaning of "three dimensions"? For manga, you should use the 3D style tag

If the tag description doesn't fit, then why won't they change it?

What would be a 3d comic for you?

This is a comic that is drawn (rendered) in 3D style.

In comics and videos 3D means only the way the graphics are created. It would be more preferable to use the 3DCG tag, but 3D is also suitable because there is no alternative. But in games there is a difference between 3D or 3DCG

From my experience, for this type of game, fps is the most common term, even if no shooting occurs. In recent years, walking-simulator seems to be the word for fps without shooting.

Don't bring the game's FPS into this. Like their walking simulator. What genre is that anyway? And if the game is third-person and there is no walking, but the game is three-dimensional? Can't you understand that? There's no tag that can perfectly replace the 3D tag.

Also, in my experience FPS games are not just first person shooters. They're dynamic, very fast first-person shooters. Shooters are demanding on the player's reaction time. FPS also means frames per second for a reason.

And that reason is, that the 3d tag is often useless, as you also have found out.

That's exactly why I created this thread! The 3d tag is useless! That's what I want to get through to the administration to fix it in future projects. And you're saying to me, "Get over it, you're not getting anywhere." That's fucking great.

But would most devs do that too? And would they do that retroactively?

In hindsight, they are unlikely to fix the tags. But new games might be tagged with the correct tag. And what the hell did you write below?

Просто посмотрите на разработчиков, использующих его, ни один из них не использовал его для игры для взрослых.

On the contrary. Only adult game developers use it. Because in adult game circles, these graphics are the most commonly used. Now pay attention to the question, which you will ignore as usual, find me some 3DCG games that are not adult games. Are there any on the site? There certainly could be, but I've never seen one. And if there are no such games, then developers of children's games have nothing to fear. Even if there are such games, I don't mind if a few 3DCG children's games are tagged 3D.

As was explained to you, that is not a thing the administration controls. Nor were you talking to administration here. This is community. That mod is not itch staff. He does forum moderation. And itch chose not to control it, it is their tagging system and they decided to give the power of tagging to the developers that publish the games. And the developers will see this, if they look for it on the faq:

Our song is good start over.

So the developers don't control the tags. Then, asshole, why the fuck isn't there a 3DCG tag on this page?

(Посмотреть все метки)

Why doesn't the 3DCG tag have a description?

Is it the game developers who didn't want to add the 3DCG tag to the list of all tags? Is it the game developers who didn't want to add a description to the 3DCG tag? Is it all game developers don't want to do? And the site administration has nothing to do with it?

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redonihunter1 year ago

Please do not try to explain English to me. You do not know English and your machine translation obviously does it wrong.

https://itch.io/games/tag-space

Space

The larger universe outside of Earth's atmosphere. Sometimes really, really far outside of it.

You try to cite the description on itch for the tag "3d", yet you failed to look at the description of the tag "space". Your screenshot put "space" as an explanation of "3d". That was wrong and very funny. Instead of laughing you try to insult me again. You have no manners.

If the blue written word would have been "spatial" it would have been ok. Spatial is to 3d what flat is to 2d. The other blue written words were not any better. It is was bad translation.

No one uses the word spatial in the context of number of dimensions.

Really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension

Time is different from other spatial dimensions as time operates in all spatial dimensions. Time operates in the first, second and third as well as theoretical spatial dimensions such as a fourth spatial dimension

And even here https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D...

"Пространственные измерения: классические физические теории описывают трёхмерные физические измерения."

"Spatial dimensions: Classical physical theories describe three-dimensional physical dimensions."

A platformer in which the environment and character are flat pictures (sprites), completely 2D. A game where the character or the background (or all together) is a three-dimensional model is a three-dimensional game.

I disagree. If you would sell me a "3d platformer game" and would sell me a game that exchanged the sprites for 3d models, I would demand my money back. Also, the 3d models are also flat to you, they are just rendered very often instead of being sprites. Speaking of sprites, the 2d sprites I know, that are animated, do not look flat. 3d in this case is about the rendering and the use of the 3d features of the engine. It is not about the game play.

Oh, and it even is a suggested tag (without description no less) https://itch.io/games/tag-3d-platformer

Probably in a drawer labeled "kitchen" or "utensils." That's it, you've already put the plate in that category, you only have one plate, you can't put one item in two different categories

But you have the choice. It fits several categories. And if you and your friend pack those boxes, you might put the plate in kitchen and your friend in utensils. No one is wrong. And for digital things you do can put them into both boxes at once.

You got the tags right. That is labels you put on boxes. You can also not attach labels to the box. And they can be put on the wrong box or you can have a fight with your friend what label to put on which box or what to write on the label or what crayon to use.

Then you argue kitchen is wrong, because the inside of the box is in fact not a kitchen, but utensils for the kitchen. And your friend insists, the labels have to say where the boxes go, you insist the content has to be labeld, and then you go argue about the meaning of kitchen, as it as some do eat in a kitchen and others only cook there, so why would need a plate in a kitchen, you need it the dining room.

Where in that tag does it say this game has to be for adults?

And this is, what you fail to understand. It is not about the actual word, it is about the expectancy people have, when reading the word. 3d is a historical term that was used when cpu/gpu manufacturer came up with it as a marketing word. "3d accelleration". They could have used any other word, even virutal reality. 3d is what stuck and it was used for a while. But as I have shown, it is not used anymore. Words change meaning. And what once was 3d is now split into third-person, first-person, walking-simulator and the old word 3d is more and more used by things that only feature stuff that is 3d. Maybe it was always used by such games, but since actual 3d games do not use this tag anymore, they became visible.

It's a three-dimensional game. Is it first-person or third-person?

This is the wrong question. You have to wonder, what the developer thinks people will use to find the game. What will the developer think is important to say about the game. Or what will the users think is important to say about the game. Or what will a site admin think is important to say about the game. It is not about any correct definition of the game. It is always opinion. But the difference is, where you release the game and who does the tagging.

So go to Steam and look up the tags. You will see the vote of the users, what are the most important tags for the game. If it is on Steam.

If the tag description doesn't fit, then why won't they change it?

Change it yourself. I am serious. Click the suggestion button and give a better description. And mind you, they are asking for descriptions. And not definitions. Itch is user driven. That includes you. Arguing about any meaning of 3d will not help. People, including me, have a different opinion than you.

There's no tag that can perfectly replace the 3D tag.

You got it! Not even 3d can replace 3d. The tag is outdated and should not be used. It is not important information. Not since every smartphone can compute 3d.

find me some 3DCG games that are not adult games

Look at the visual novel plus 3d combination on Steam. Most of those games are non adult and 2d with 3d renders. If you cannot find those, you did not look.

Or just look here, you lazy person. You have to deselect the adult content in your settings!!! You can also try some rpg combination. But "3dcg" games that are not adult will tag their story and not that they have pictures.

https://itch.io/games/genre-visual-novel/tag-3d

Why doesn't the 3DCG tag have a description?

Why is there no description for the 3d platformer tag?

Did you submit a suggestion for the description for either of them? No? There is your answer. No one cares!

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K14M1 year ago

Space

Now, asshole, look up how "space" translates.

Really?

Really. Here's an article for you, see the word "пространвство" in here?

Three-dimensional space, geometry paper. What were you telling me?

spatial (пространственный)

I can't even find an example with the word "spatial" in it. Except "пространственный тоннель." And that translates to "space tunnel."

"Пространственные измерения: классические физические теории описывают трёхмерные физические измерения."

I disagree.

I don't care if you disagree. When the character on the screen is spritely, it's noticeable. When it's three dimensional, it's just as noticeable. You can tell the difference between a sprite character and a drawn character. And not just in games. In animation there are moments of mixing drawn characters and modeled on the computer in 3d. You can see the difference especially in movement. Even in manga you can see the difference between a drawn character and a modeled one.

Here are some examples of modeled manga

And these are examples of drawn manga

Is there a difference?

Oh, and it even is a suggested tag (without description no less) https://itch.io/games/tag-3d-platformer

And moreover, a game with the tags "3d" and "platformer" is not the same as a game with one tag "3d platformer". Platformer means that the game is in the platformer genre. 3d means that the game is three dimensional. And 3d platformer means it's a 3D platformer. There's a big difference. Take Mario, for example. Super Mario Odyssey is a 3D platformer with a third-person view. It can be tagged with the single tag "3d platformer". At the same time, in one of the parts of Mario (I don't remember exactly which one) there were elements on the level in which the game became two-dimensional, that is, the graphics as before was three-dimensional, but Mario could only move left and right, as in classic games on 8-bit console. But that was a separate element on the level, in general, the whole game is three-dimensional. But if there was a game with three-dimensional graphics but two-dimensional gameplay, it could be labeled with two tags "3d" and "platformer", but the tag "3d platformer" here is no longer suitable.

Another example is the game Nier Automata. It's three-dimensional. But in some cases the camera is placed on top or on the side of the character, turning the gameplay into 2D. But the game is still three-dimensional.

Another example. Crash Bandicoot. Is it a platformer, with three dimensions? Or a 3D platformer?

And for digital things you do can put them into both boxes at once.

Then it would no longer be called a category. It's something else.

or you can have a fight with your friend what label to put on which box

That's true. But the difference is that in this example, there are no established rules about what labels to put on a box of dishes when moving to a new apartment. There's no such thing. Large moving companies may have their own rules about how boxes should be labeled, and they follow them. But me and my friend don't have any rules yet.

And in the case of games, there are already rules that are followed on some sites. And even a person who is not familiar with these rules can easily guess what it is about by looking at the name of the label or its description. That's how people learn new words. From the pronunciation (spelling) and the context in which they see the word for the first time.

3d without context means three dimensions. 3d manga and 3d video means style. The style of "drawing" even though it's not actually drawn. A 3d game originally appeared specifically as a three dimensional game. Because before this term games were two-dimensional or textual (without graphics). And here relatively recently began to appear 3DCG games and people are confused. They are already used to calling such pictures 3d. But the game is two-dimensional with 3D pictures. So the game is 3d? But there are two dimensions?

Confusion. We should call this kind of game 3DCG.

And what once was 3d is now split into third-person, first-person, walking-simulator and the old word 3d is more and more used by things that only feature stuff that is 3d.

Who decided that? YOU? You personally decided that word is no longer in use? Who are you to personally decide that? I use this word, my environment, my acquaintances use this word and on the Internet it is actively used on the sites I use. What makes you think it's not used anymore? On the contrary, what you wrote, first person, third person and even more so walking simulator. I very rarely encounter such definitions. I never say in a conversation with a friend, "I bought a cool first person shooter yesterday and played it all night". It doesn't happen. I either just say "shooter" or the name of the game. A shooter already implies that it's first-person. Otherwise I specify whether it's a shoulder view shooter or an overhead view shooter. And this is the first time I've heard of walking simulators. I don't know what that is. There are games where it's not really important to specify whether there is 3d or not. If it's a strategy game, I don't care if it's sprite graphics or three-dimensional. As long as it is good. In platformers or metroid games it doesn't really matter if it's three dimensional or two. In souls games it doesn't matter, in horror games it doesn't matter, in roguelikes it doesn't matter either. In quests it doesn't matter all the more. In general in AAA games it doesn't matter, as a rule they are all three dimensional. But in some indie games it is very important to have three-dimensional graphics.

So go to Steam and look up the tags. You will see the vote of the users, what are the most important tags for the game. If it is on Steam.

You're a total asshole. I've told you more than once. Don't use stim as an example. It's for big games. Not for indies. 3DCG games are unpopular there. Are you so dumb you can't understand a word? I've told you more than once to stop writing about Steam!

And you can shove the developers' opinions up your ass. They can add the tag 3d to their games where there is no three-dimensionality to attract attention. Why? Because the tag is popular and in demand. It's a stone in your favor that no one uses the tag. On paid sites like Nutaku games are paid, and the site itself is important to sell as many games as possible, so you can lie about the three-dimensionality of the game.

Change it yourself. I am serious.

I did it a long time ago. On the first day of our dialog, I offered my description of the 3DCG, 3D game, and 3D tags. I did that a long time ago. And where is the result? There is no result. Apparently game developers don't want to change anything. They are responsible for the tags, not the site administration.

Not since every smartphone can compute 3d.

Why did you write that? What's the point? If every smartphone can handle 3d, then the tag is unnecessary? I don't understand you.

Look at the visual novel plus 3d combination on Steam.

Here we go again. Fuck you and your stim. I don't need no fucking steam. We're not talking about steam right now. Why the fuck do you keep referring to steaming?

https://itch.io/games/genre-visual-novel/tag-3d

I guess I was right, you are dumb.

Did you look at the search results on that link yourself? 90% of the games there are 3DCG. And I don't need that! I only want 3D games. I've been talking to you for a week and you still don't get it?

Why is there no description for the 3d platformer tag?

You're really really dumb. I don't care about that tag. Are you capable of answering my question or not? You asshole!

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K14M1 year ago

By the way clown, since you like your favorite steem so much, here's a tag from steem that you probably didn't know about. "Псевдотрёхмерность" (Pseudo three-dimensionality).

https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4975

I guess this could be considered some sort of analog to the 3DCG tag

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redonihunter1 year ago

Your post above is misunderstanding and distorting quite a lot. And I do not care, if that is because your translation method is utterly crap or because you are trolling, at this point. Your constant insults make it clear, that you do not want a discussion. Especially your refusal to accept that there are other opinions.

I do not get how you try to defend that translation of 3d to space. It is a translation blunder. You can cite all you want in russian. It is English that I am talking about. What you think those words mean in russian does not count for anyhting! Get this in your head. If you gonna put 3d near space and say one is a word to describe the other and the context is games, you will get laughed at. It is wrong. Space in that context is in the meaning of outer space. At best you could use the adjective, and this is spatial or spacious. Or how do you call the big long key on your keyboard that makes the empty thing between letters? In English this is the space key. Is this now a three dimensional entity or what?

I am guessing your browser put that there or the site had autotranslation, because you later posted something with russian blue letters below the 3d.

Do you not see, that your method of looking up the things on the internet translates badly?!

Just look at your confusion about words like category. Or the translation for 2.5D (that is the tag for your pseudo threedimensinonal. Are you gonna argue now, that there is no such thing as half dimensions?)

It is words and they mean what people use them for. Your disbelief will neither change this, nor the fact that all this is opinion and not some dictionary defintion. Even dictionaries only write up how people use words. If meanings change or words get additional meaning, they update their definition. Yet somehow you want to apply more strict rules to mere game tagging.

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K14M1 year ago

Especially your refusal to accept that there are other opinions.

Opinions at odds with reality? Yes, I refuse to accept that.

You can cite all you want in russian. It is English that I am talking about.

What the fuck do you mean the site you're daring me to use is Russian? That blue text on the Russian site says. Are you so stupid you don't understand? And since the site is Russian, I'm quoting Russian for you to understand. But to no avail.

If you gonna put 3d near space and say one is a word to describe the other and the context is games, you will get laughed at

Of course of course, three dimensions of space is ridiculous.

Or how do you call the big long key on your keyboard that makes the empty thing between letters?

"Пробел"

Oh I didn't want to bring this up but you made me. Why does one word in English have only different ones? Here I have shown five different Russian words that are equally translated into English. THE SAME, KARL! And there's a funny word combination - "космическое пространство". How does it translate into English? "Space space"? Funny language.

It is words and they mean what people use them for. Your disbelief will neither change this, nor the fact that all this is opinion and not some dictionary defintion. Even dictionaries only write up how people use words. If meanings change or words get additional meaning, they update their definition. Yet somehow you want to apply more strict rules to mere game tagging.

What's the point of your words if you don't know what they mean? You still can't give me a definition of what 3D and 3DCG are. And why did you even bring 2.5D into it if it was never mentioned at all?

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redonihunter1 year ago

Opinions at odds with reality?

You have fundamental misconceptions. What you talk about is not reality. It is not physics. Not even mathematics. It is language. It is usage of words. If you are of the opinion, that the earth is flat, then your opinion is at odds with reality. If you are of the opinion that "Xmas" is appropriate to use as a label for the winter solstice, then so be it. Others might complain, and have different opinions. But in the end, it is opinion.

You refuse to accept "3d" as a label for three dimensionally rendered pictures not because the term means different, but because you are of the opinion that it only applies for a game world rendered in real time with three dimensional graphics. The term itself does not give this meaning. It is your preconception, your opinion, that does so. The term does not even say anything about time or perspective. Or if it is describing the game-world, the graphics or other aspects.

So tell me, where does it say, that 3d is only for games that have real time graphics that is rendered in 3d? If you want to exclude 3d rendered pictures, you cannot do this by the term alone. And this is true, even if you rename the term to "3d game".

The key named "Пробел" has the name "space bar" in English. A direct translation of "Пробел" would be gap. Just an illustration why arguing about the meaning of a word, by looking at the meaning in another language does not work.

"космическое пространство". How does it translate into English? "Space space"?

Depends on your translator. It means "outer space". Just click the russian wiki for that term and there click on other language. But because English are lazy, they will call the gap key "space", the will call the universe "space" and they even give "space" to each other when keeping a distance.

Oh, and the 2.5D tag was mentioned by you. https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4975 This is 2.5D in English Steam. Pseudo-3d would be a good description for it, but it is just not a popular term.

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K14M1 year ago

You have fundamental misconceptions. What you talk about is not reality. It is not physics. Not even mathematics.

Of course, of course, of course. It's not physics or math. It's just geometry. Are you really that stupid?

The term itself does not give this meaning.

And after saying that, you take offense when I call you stupid? You're stupid! Can the term three dimensions mean something other than three dimensions? Only a stupid person would write such nonsense. And you fit the definition of such a stupid person.

The term does not even say anything about time or perspective.

What's time got to do with it? Space time is already four dimensions. We're talking about three. Also, what does perspective have to do with it? Perspective has been around since long before the advent of electronic computers. But we don't call it 3D.

So tell me, where does it say, that 3d is only for games that have real time graphics that is rendered in 3d?

The tag itself says it DUMB YOU BARAN! THREE DIMENSIONS! Where do you see three dimensions in the picture? NOWHERE! If it's a rendered picture, then say "3D RENDER" but not "3D GAME"!

Just click the russian wiki for that term and there click on other language.

And what do I see? Outer space (or simply space)

So космос is space. And пространство is space. And пробел is space. And космическое пространство is space. That's great!

Oh, and the 2.5D tag was mentioned by you. https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4975 This is 2.5D in English Steam.

I didn't write a word about English Steam.

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K14M1 year ago

And what was it you were telling me about the word "spatial"? I go to your wiki, and why isn't there a single word for "spatial"? But the word "space" is there all the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-dimensional_space

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K14M1 year ago

And here's another thing, clown. You're the one who wrote that 3D also means stereoscopic games that need to be played with glasses. For such games in Steam there is also a tag - "3D Vision". So do not confuse stereoscopic games and three-dimensional games.

You also said that in Stim the tag 3D marks games without three-dimensional graphics. You know what's funny? It's the players themselves who put those tags. If a lot of players put a new tag to a game, this tag will be assigned to that game. And nobody in Steam moderates it. And vice versa, if a game receives a lot of complaints about a tag, it will be removed.

So it's illiterate players like you who add a tag to 3D games without 3D. If I find a few thousand accounts who will raid the Steam store together with me and put a new 3DCG tag on some games, this tag will be fixed in the Steam store.

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