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Hey guys! So here we go again:

I would love answers to the following questions, then I’ll leave and never come back. Caribdis, please answer these questions:

-Why is the 0.7 release taking longer than usual to finish?

-Why don’t you give Itch the same attention you do other platforms, such as Patreon and Subscribestar?

-Why don’t you provide the same information on Itch that you make available on the aforementioned platforms. Information such as the amount of progress you have made towards the next release?

If you want to ignore me, block me, then please go ahead. I’m not going anywhere even if you do. Ill stop when I get some answers from Caribdis. It would only take a minute, lets face it.

You might be wondering why I am bothering. Its simple. New people will come along sooner or later, they wont have me blocked yet, so they will see this and maybe they will stop to wonder why. Maybe even consider what I am saying. Maybe they will even ask the same things. Maybe they will just think I’m an inconsiderate A-hat too. Cool.

For those who might be wondering: I used to love this VN. I even contributed to the creator, Carbdis. financially once through Itch. I think the story is wonderful, the girls are gorgeous in every way. Its a good VN, well worth a look by anyone that cares too give it a try.

But let the buyer beware! The development time is getting longer on each release, the 0.6 release took 6 months to reach public release. I want to know why because as I see it I have invested in the story and as an investor I want more information so I can judge whether or not I wish to make more investments. Well I did before I was ignored by Caribdis and derided by the other fans.

So here’s what I’m going to do next. I’m going to spam this Itch page with this message every day until Carbdis responds to me directly with an answer to my questions. I’m going to leave walls of text so that any newcomer cant miss it. Wont take me long, copy and paste is fun!

So please consider my words, such as they are. All I want are answers.

Thank you for your time.

Gamma326 days ago(+7)(-1)

damalon326 days ago (2 edits) (-4)

Lol thats actually well done! Good job!

I'll rewrite it a little so its more polite then.

There ya go, I rewrote if so its less demanding.

Tanxui326 days ago (1 edit) (+3)

Hey, I like the new nice writing style. I can't promise you'll get an official answer from Caribdis, but I'll try, maybe that's enough.

(EDIT: I'll try answering your questions is what I meant)

1. I'm not sure why this release takes longer but my best informed guesses would be the winter holidays and an increased amount of animations in this release. Also, the releases tend to get larger, so the the development time tends to increase as well.

2 & 3. First of all, some people just want notifications when there's a new release since they're following a lot of devs. To reduce spam, development updates are separated from release updates.

Also, this project is free and entirely financed by donations. As you might now, Patreon subscriptions are generally more expensive than buying the game at value, so as an exclusive extra, you get to be part of the development process. This is another reason why these updates are separated.

Caribdis could put the progress banner on the game page, maybe he'll even do it if you ask nicely. Though the absence of it does act like a reverse-advertisement: If this project interests you, you're encouraged to dig deeper and maybe even get a subscription. Though right now, you can still access it for free anyway on Discord and Subscribestar.

damalon326 days ago (1 edit) (-5)

I appreciate the gesture but I still want to hear it all from Caribdis. You might be right about all of this. I dont know, I want solid information though, not guesses.

As I have said before I am simply not interested in Patreon or Subscribestar. Thats because I dont like Patreon. I have several reasons for that. One is that I dont like the proliferation of finance platforms, another is that I really dont like Patreon's policies when it comes to what they allow on their platform and what they dont. Since Patreon always take a piece of the money going to any contributor on their platform I refuse to use it because I wont give any money to them, under any circumstances. I dont even want to look at a page on Patreon, I dont want to give them the views.

I understand and agree with the Patreon subscribers getting an extra benefit or two. They pay extra, they get extra benefits. I never once questioned that. What I am questioning is why the release is taking longer than usual. Thats the really important question. I'm pretty sure I know the answers to the other two questions. Would still like to hear the answers from Caribdis himself though.

Someone said to me that the money comes first: I respectfully disagree. The first thing should be the art, the passion. Those give your work soul. Making the money top priority may allow you project to survive, pay the bills, but it also makes you something of a sellout. If you start with beautiful art, like the work Caribdis has done in the past, you will draw fans and they will support you.

So first you get the money, then you get the power and then you get the women... wait no, thats not right... I mean first you build a project on a foundation of passion, then you'll attract fans and they will happily provide what they can. So in my opinion money is a distant third, just enough to pay the bills. Thats all you need.

Last word on your response for now: I'm not asking for your promise. Don't want apologies from anyone either. I am still going to keep spamming this page on Itch, hoping that I'll get a direct response to my questions from Caribdis. If he never responds I'll just keep going. I wont take this anywhere else though, from now on I'll keep my feud right here.

Ghiblixxx326 days ago(+2)(-1)

This are not just simple words and questions, when your threatening Caribdis and with spam🥴. I hate people like you. Have you got no life so much that this game is your only interest atm.

Or maybe I'm not looking things right and your just so lonely in life that this chat and getting replies is your only way of having any human contact.

Making such long posts about this and talking about it so newcomers can see.

Bro your an idiot if your trying to leave bad reviews and show newcomers this, at the risk of pushing them away. Then you maybe delaying the project longer yourself by taking away support from Caribdis. You may be the cause of the delay with you tarded antics.

Ghiblixxx326 days ago(+1)

And before you say, i know the delay is not the only thing, as you have said patreon blah blah blah.

To be honest thinking about it. You've probably annoyed him, so he most likely blocked you, if I was Caribdis, I would block you.

damalon326 days ago (1 edit) (-4)

Fair comment. I'm gonna keep going anyway.

He can always unblock me, if indeed he has done so.

No this is not my only interest. But it has my attention, so I'm willing to make some time for it.

As far as pushing them away goes: I think newcomers should be informed of the weak points of this creator just as surely as they should be informed of his strengths. Thats something I wish I knew from the start.

Ragged Vagabond326 days ago(+2)

So, following past updates, there is usually a statement with release dates by now, but still not quite late for an update just yet.

Obviously Patreon and SubscribeStar actually make Caribdis money, whereas everything he offers on Itch makes him nothing, by his own choice of course. That's capitalism, he's going to give more attention to the platforms that provide him income than he is the platform that isn't.

damalon325 days ago (1 edit)

As I have said before I have personally donated money to Caribdis using Itch, so saying he makes nothing fromthis site is inaccurate. I would agree that he probably makes very little money from this site.

If you double check the release pattern there is usually a changelog and release date announcement, followed by public release approximately a month later. There hasn't been a changelog and release date announcement yet let alone the public release. Following that pattern Caribdis is at least 1 additional month behind.

Now I understand he is nearly done with this one, but that will most likely mean there is about to be announcement for the changes, then roughly a month will pass before the public release.

Ragged Vagabond319 days ago

When artists are rushed to produce art, you get Nickelback. Catch my drift?

gideongreyxxx325 days ago(+1)(-1)

1) we last left on a cliffhanger so shit is going down likely more scenes more time to process and make each scene

2) Subscriberstar and patreon you pay to see stuff Itch you do not it is completely free unless you want to pay. plus im sure they dont want to see all these comments from spoiled shits like you

3) see 2

as for everything else programming takes a long time developing takes a long time. grow the fuck up and wait you're being a child

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