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I'm perfectly happy with this decision. We're competing on our skill, I'm almost single handedly making my game with help from a spriter friend, and a coder friend, using PAID FOR HUMAN MADE tilesets. There's genuine effort in every aspect of my submission. If I had some hackjob ai slop even come close to me and my friends' efforts I think I'd lose even more faith in humanity. I have STRONG feelings on this topic. I'd rather not have someone cheat on their homework and get graded on the same level, you get me? AI conceptualizing is fine, but if you incorporate that into a large portion of the game I will only ever see it as cheating and cheap. That's my piece.

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I could make the same "cheating" argument about anyone who uses an off the shelf game engine (rpg maker, twine, unity, unreal, etc) instead of coding their own game engine from scratch.  But I don't, because I know people use tools to be efficient with their time, round out the weak spots in their skillset, and focus on what makes their game special to the player.

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that’s not even remotely comparable.

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a sold or pre-made engine is being given freely by its original creator. AI art is trained on theft from thousands of non-consenting artists. make no mistake, the big difference is a lack of consent. 

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Exactly. AI a talent sim at best and a piracy and plagiarism tool at one of the worst. I paid for RPGMaker, I paid for my tilesets, any and all assets are paid for and/or credited. AI can't be. I'm glad it seems like the stance is pretty clear we all don't want AI. (Removed unrelated comment)
In short: I refuse to employ AI and encourage others to enjoy and utilize human made content as it better expresses the creativity of people, quality over quantity in every facet.

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Agreed, I love seeing the jam bringing out all sorts of fun and creative game makers in the TF community, but Sky's stance and arguments on this point have thoroughly killed any desire I had to try out their game after seeing some admittedly very nice pieces actual artists did as fan works inspired by it.

On the up side, I'd seen your work before, Fungal and considered giving it a look and now that has gone from a, "Ya I should try and remember to give these a look..." to a very firm, "Its going on the list!"

Slushy's work I've already checked out and is fantastic!

Good folks making good art, its what this jams about and its nice to see!

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Duhad:  Implying financial rewards or penalties to people who agree with you or disagree with you is not the way to debate the rules of a game jam in good faith.  This creates a chilling effect on people being able to express their opinions honestly and openly.  I don't believe this is an appropriate way to contribute to this discussion.

(This post rewritten after the other thread was resolved)

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While I will agree not to "make it personal" I don't think responding truthfully, frankly and objectively about how I feel about ai generated content is "swaying" anything. Frankly I find it deplorable inside and outside of the rules of this jam.
However, the topic in hand? I've said my piece already. I'm glad it's not allowed.

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good to see ya fungal dragon! loved the first cattle castle :3

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Unnecessary attack unrelated to the topic at hand, IMO.  I did not make any criticisms about your own projects.

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Fair enough I'll remove it. Please don't threaten me over it though, thanks.

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Where did I threaten you?

Edit: If you're referring to:

> I did not make any criticisms about your own projects.

This was not intended as a threat, this was only pointing out what you were doing that was out of bounds prior to the removal.  I do thank you for removing it, though.

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Ok.
Glad it wasn't a threat.
You're welcome. I think I've been too under stress my reactions have been pretty defensive lately, and I apologize for that.

I accept your apology and forgive; FYI I have even played some of your work and enjoyed :)

ooh! That's great! I'm glad you enjoyed. I'm getting back into it, with this gamejam as a bit of inspiration.