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A. He did not made my "favorite sex game" and I do not put him on a high pedestal.

B. I am NOT your bro, nor anyone else’s. (The same goes for every other wording suggesting familiarity)

C. They’ve been harassed for something that troll-account on X formerly Twitter said, ignoring what Kabier has to say about her own relationship. And you just do it again.

If JasonAfex had been 25+ yes, I would have said the same as you. But he was 21, barely a full adult himself. (no, I do not see 18 as adulthood, but 21 since not all are fully developed before 21.) Someone dating a 16-year-old does feel strange to me (as I already stated) but JasonAfex married Kabier 6 years ago and (as far as I can say) still is married to her. That is not a pedophile “loving” children but a guy who found love.

[Edit:] The reason I even reacted to your comment is that seeing a denouncing comment like yours, where evidence must first be requested, already angers me (and without proof that was denunciation). But then your evidence actually speaks against your point, but you still choose that to make your stand?

Heavens above and hells bellow, I am no native speaker, but I still understand what is written in that long discussion on FA, where only gunstinger tried to die on that hill of JasonAfex being a Pedo (well, besides JasonAfex and Kabier only four held against her. But if it were more than simple hate, at least someone would have helped her).

Spyro1321 day ago(-1)

can we just report this squat guy and stop talking about this, he is not listening and to be honest I stick to my word, THIS CONVERSATION SHOULDNT BE HERE. And it’s pissing me off

Squat1 day ago

oh god forbid i alert people that they might be supporting a pedophile...

Stop sucking Jasons dick he isnt gonna sucks yours.

Spyro1321 day ago

Hahah yeah look i just liked the first game okay😂 i wouldn’t call that sucking his dick, and I’m keen for the second one but shit i didn’t realise that people that are so up them selves about one thing haha take this conversation elsewhere because as I said last time this is not the place for it, but I’m tired of hearing this bullshit cause that’s what this is, but you think what you want to think it’s only making you a worse person 😂

Ps imma ignore any new comments about this because you just don’t want to let it go😂

AbiOrionsson1 day ago (1 edit)

You're right that this discussion shouldn't happen here - or anywhere else, as far as I'm concerned - but ignoring people accusing others based on no or insufficient evidence is also not a viable option.

Squat1 day ago

insufficient..? he literally said himself he dated a minor .-.

AbiOrionsson1 day ago (1 edit)

He also talked about their first interaction on FA and how their relationship started as he helped her (a fan at that time) overcoming the end of a bad relationship and her damaged impression of the furry community (second comment in the journal you linked).

Yes, he admitted dating a Minor, but he also made clear that this did not begin with dating. He didn’t give an exact timeline allowing us to know the tame it took, but this began on FA. A site with very adult contends that is not really suited for minors and no really save method to check the actual age of its useres.

At what time he learned of her age (and how old she was at that moment) is completely up to speculation, but the indicators that she was 15 when it started are from the troll-account on X formerly Twitter dedicated to hating Kabier, a source absolutely not trustworthy. But with the situation given there is a fair chance that he initially assumed her to be an adult.

But is it strange that they became friends and then fall in love?

And again, ONE CASE DOES NOT PROVE A GENERAL POINT. This happening one time makes him not a pedophile, it would if it happened multiple times or started as a sexual thing, but not the way it did happen. (Though we have to take JasonAfex word here, as proof is missing, but at least Kabier did not said it to be false)

Squat1 day ago

Spitballing real quick, If he truly didnt know kabs age at the time he seems to be pretty proud of himself admitting that he dated a minor.

But why do people defend him, hes some random dude online who is creepy. I am here to alert others of this

AbiOrionsson1 day ago (2 edits)

I can’t speak for others, so this is only my reason for taking his site in this specific point:

There is a single case that the whole point is based on. From my school days I’m still trained to act in these kinds of situations, as in my native country the worst event in history happened, and one factor was the hate on Jews that was fueled by generalization and history. And at least my teachers made sure that me and my schoolmates would go against any generalization we become aware of.

Regarding my argument about JasonAfex knowing or not knowing Kabiers age at the time, I am 100% positive he knew when they begun dating, I just say that (looking at the circumstances) much of their relationship could have developed before he knew her age.
Of the Friends I mentioned in the explanation why I have a problem with being called “bro”, there are 3 I do not know their actual age. Though I know they're adults, as 3 do have full-time jobs that require 2 years of professional training (after finishing school) and one is in her professional training after she stopped studying half-way through.

[Edit:] Asking because I wonder: Why do you call him proud about dating a 16-year-old (once)? He didn’t deny that, but (in the given FA-journal’s comments) the first talking about it was gunstinger. This doesn’t fit my understanding of being proud. To me it reads more like he’s annoyed to repeat something he had said/wrote many times before, though that is how I read what he had written.

Squat1 day ago

Look i was immature with some of my responses but seeing someone who is a known creep and has a platform, from someone who has went through grooming and creeps trying to hurt me when i was younger, i know what its like and seeing people normalize What jason did is beyond hurtful to not only me but those who have been affected by groomers and creeps.

AbiOrionsson1 day ago (2 edits)

First off, I feel sorry that you had to experience this, and I now do understand better where you stand and why you stand there.

Please accept my apologies should I have accidentally hurt you in this discussion, as this was never my intention.

People call JasonAfex creepy for the things he did and that the things he did are extremely hurtful to people is something I do not try to argue against and never wanted to argue against. Getting hurt by thing others do is too familiar to me to not understand.

All I argue against is that he is called a pedophile because he dated Kabier when she was 16. That is for the reasons I already stated, and because pedophiles (when appearing in the news) tend to have done things to multiple children and/or todlers I deem unspeakable. Something way worse than all mentioned till now.

I still think that a 21-year-old dating a 16-year-old is strange despite being legal, (as I mentioned in my first comment) and thus don’t think it is normal. I just see what especially Kabier said to this and that their love/relationship still holds after more than a decade, which is (at least from what I learned about it) unusual for a relationship that begun this early in live and didn’t include kids. This makes me think that they just have a genuine loving relationship with a beginning that is as unusual as it should be. So again, I agree that what happened with them is not normal and should never become normal, but I truly think, that calling JasonAfex a pedophile is a false statement.

[Edit:] Thinking about it, what I call strange is exactly the fact you call creepy for what happened to you, making this a point that falls under the unintended hurting.

So again, I must apologize, because I failed to realize this while writing.

Squat23 hours ago(+1)

Thank you for understanding, my initial comment was a bit strong in wording but i still hold true to the "creepy" title i have given jason. But i was having a rough night mentally due to the past, and seeing this game pop up while looking for some laid back stories that i could calm down with and read. It triggered something deep inside me that fueled me with hatred and made me act immaturely. So i apologize for that, but my view on Jason will always be that hes a creepy, terrible person.

Squat1 day ago

Or or... we dont defend PEDOPHILES!!!!! god maybe this fandom is full of fucking pedos 🤦🤦🤦

been here since 2000s and i still fucking hate it .-.

AbiOrionsson1 day ago

For the love of whatever divine being you may believe in.

JasonAfex got together with one… ONE (singular) person that was 16 somewhat around 15 years ago and he married with that person for 6 years ago. He doesn’t go around looking for minors.

HE DOES NOT LOVE MINORS

JASONAFEX LOVES KABIER

So maybe do not call him a Pedophile with evidence that goes against your point.

And if you hate this fandom for over 20 years, maybe rethink your live and go somewhere else, as actively seeking out something you hate means stress and thus is not healthy.

Squat1 day ago

Bro, why are you dick riding jason so hard? He DOES love minors if he DIDNT he wouldnt have DATED a minor and then got MARRIED to them. But since this is some guy who made your favorite sex game awhile back doesnt mean you should defend him.

And the evidence does not go against, actually it supports me, cause he DID date a minor. And we cant be FOR SURE that he only loves kabier.

AbiOrionsson1 day ago(-1)

Again, I’m NOT your bro, nor anyone else’s.
Also, again he didn’t make my favorite sex game. (From my point of view, the best he made was enjoyable but only above average)

Then I never said he ONLY loves Kabier, I said that he loves Kabier. The “only” changes the meaning drastically, by making it something exclusive.
And falling in love with one person (while she was a minor but reached age of consent) does not prove a general standpoint.
+ He married her years later when she was in her mid-20s, clearly beyond the age of a minor. Absolutely something a pedophile would do.

And by your logic, I can’t hate humanity because I have friends, but surprise: There are few I detest more than myself and I hate our species. Yet I do my best to not generalize by single events, to look at the entire picture and actually argue based on what the others (including the ones we talk about) said before.

AbiOrionsson1 day ago

And as I'm no native speaker (as mentioned before) I must ask, what a sexuall act has to do with taking the side of the one that is attact?

Squat1 day ago

Why do you care if i call you bro... jesus Christ bro

AbiOrionsson1 day ago

The simplified answer:
Being called a somewhat familiar term by everyone except my family and the 10 people I call friends (though 6 just because of the shared interest that brings us together on a regular basis) feels to me like someone is punching me from the inside.

The answer with context:
As I mentioned in my other comment, there are few I detest more than myself and I hate our species. Among other things, this has to do with the way I view myself, and a fake friend I didn't recognize as such until it was too late.
Yes, that's a problem, but therapy (and my actual friends from before) got me to where I am now, which was enough to end my suicidal thoughts because I am what I am (physically and mentally).
What it hasn't helped with is that anything that even remotely reminds me of fraternizing with people I don't know triggers this problem I have.
It's not something you could have known, and it's something I really don't like to talk about, but that's why I have a problem with being called "bro."

Squat1 day ago(+1)

Well thank you for the insight ill stop calling you it. All im really here for is to alert others that jason is a creep Nothing else.

AbiOrionsson1 day ago

Thanks for the undersanding

itch.io

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