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[Edit: Had to do some housekeeping here unfortunately. As I've said previously, feedback, including (often especially) criticism is fine, as long as it's meaningful and civil. In this case, all meaningful information from both sides was covered in the first few posts. After that it was effectively just spam. Voicing issues with the game is fine. Continuing to do so after I've made my position clear, in an attempt to harass me and/or the fans of the game, is not. ]

[Edit the 2nd: Appreciate the support and reports(!), but I'm going to leave the rest of this up as the information may still be useful going forward.]

There's a modest delay, yes. Early access has always been only real reward for the SubscribeStar supporters, and this in particular was announced quite a while ago, shortly after GT first came out, so it shouldn't come as a surprise. Early access for monthly supporters followed by a later public release is a fairly common model, and the wait is often considerably longer than two weeks. Everyone who bought the game will still get the new pack, a considerable amount of new content, for free. They'll just have to wait a little longer.

Zyro201 year ago(+2)(-13)

Oh yeah I can't wait to see this model come to the mainstream. Imagine buying Star Citizen and receive to the face "You don't give me money everyday so get fucked", that's a huge mentality we should all enforce for the future XD

Zyro201 year ago(+1)(-9)

And obviously it's sarcasm. This model of "patreons first" is only acceptable for games that are free. For this model, I'd rather be refunded my 10$ and all those 10$ that have been given from this website, and that we get the content for free here and just wait those 14 days then.

bitshiftgames1 year ago(+5)(-1)

Different people will be comfortable with different support models obviously, and if you dislike this one, you're certainly free to avoid further support in the future. But again, this was first floated four months ago, in a dev log you commented on, and there were no concerns raised then, nor after, until yours just now. I fully expected some people might not jive with it, which is why I asked for input when initially proposing it, but the reaction was almost entirely positive or neutral, so I went forward with it, and will probably continue to do so. I feel it's a reasonable way to reward those who are putting extra support behind the game while still ensuring that everyone who bought it gets the extra content, for free, eventually. If that isn't for you, I can respect that, but for now, this is the way I plan to release updates.

Zyro201 year ago(+1)(-11)

dunno it's always easier to know how I feel in front of the fact. Good job on spitting on all those who supported the project I guess. Further enhanced feeling by the fact that like anyone else I've been waiting for months for this update and that you always told it was for end of october but suddenly it isn't anymore for everyone.

CatbeefVonDoom1 year ago(+12)(-1)

Dude, the dev just owned you in the most polite way possible. Quit harassing them. 14 days is not even that long.

oldglory121 year ago(+3)(-1)

Stop he's already dead

Alioth Sol1 year ago(+2)(-1)

Are you high or what? The update is free for everyone who bought the game; only 14 days after the patreon received it, what a tragedy. I mean, it's only fair that those who support the most get it early, don't you think? It's not about spitting on supporters, far from it.

Zyro201 year ago(+1)(-5)

Sure let's bring that to the standard gaming to realise how it will end. I'm sure if you bought Star Citizen and get that delay because you're not constantly on their patreon, that'll be received really well. And it's insulting for those who supported the creator but can't or won't pay more for whatever reason (money issue, won't pay more than the game's price, etc)

Usually what's given to those giving constant money are stuff outside of the game's spectrum, something to really thank the support.

SerperiorMew1 year ago(+4)

This is a completely different scale than looking at EA, Bethesda or even Larian. This is a different scale than even looking at the creators of the Risk of Rain series.

In the above examples, they have the money to take the time to make a game and sell it and worry about profit later. The group behind this game likely does it as a side hustle/side hobby that they make a modest but unlivable income from. It would be one thing if they got 60$ per copy sold and it sold this much as they would have obtained 6 figures of income from sales, but 10$ is nothing to most people who're trying to get something cheap and quick.

Many of these projects die out not for lack of croud enthusiasm, but lack of ability to maintain the funding/work for the project; one of the best ways to guarantee that you're motivated to do a project is to have an end goal. For example, if the dev makes 10 'chapters' for 10$ each and 100 people buy those chapters in one day that comes out to 10*10*100=10000 ($10,000). That's a lot of money and probably not getting spent all at once, but spread out and having a (likely) larger player base means that it earns more, but I do believe that they are a dev group of 1-3 people.

The point being, you're being a Karen to some devs who're just trying to make ends meet for themselves so that they can focus on this full time. Relax; if you don't like the methodology used to sustain the game's development, then you don't have to buy it. No one is stopping you from leaving this game alone.

bitshiftgames1 year ago

Appreciate the support. Just wanted to clarify, while I'm flattered, there is no team: It's just me. And while that does mean all the money comes my way, it also means all the WORK does. Which includes not just all the things involved in making a game, but bugtesting, gameplay tweaking, advertising, and community relations and moderation (as we see here.) That's one of the reasons I don't have a Discord/Twitter etc. So it's six of one, half dozen of another, it balances out.

SerperiorMew1 year ago(+1)

I hope this catches you well,

I respect that you're the one and only, as it were. That takes a lot of time and effort on your part for sure. I was working under the assumption that you either had help with technical/backend and/or audio mixing... or that you did it all yourself. It's interesting to see that I wasn't far off on that estimate.

That being said, it really is incredible especially considering that it is something you're working on alone. I know that I was able to get a couple hours off of the first game just running through it and another 6 being a completionist. While this is something I would be upset about if I bought an EA game for their price, I purchased something that was advertised as incomplete and a part of a greater whole with a pricepoint attached that, I hope, is enough that you're able to work on it comfortably at your discretion. We all deserve time to rest after all.

That being said, I'll be silently and eagerly awaiting the opportunity to buy the second chapter. ;3

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foxy-kit1 year ago (1 edit) (+1)

Dude, you should be ashamed. So much whining just because someone will receive updates 2 weeks earlier? Are you serious?

Everything is fair enough. Nobody asks you to pay extra for the upgrade. You will receive it, in full, but only a couple of weeks later than those who considered it necessary to support the author with the same amount but monthly.

The author might not have published this announcement here at all. Just upload a new update when the time comes. And then you would never know that someone else got this update before you and was satisfied?

Gameboyfan991 year ago(+2)

I think its great as why wouldn't he offer a nice bonus to those that are continually supporting him with more than just a 1 time purchase. If you like the game then great buy it once and wait for eventual releases (It is worth it despite your whining). If it helps you sleep at night think of the slight delay as receiving a "finished" project and us that continually support monthly are beta testers.

Soda.EX1 year ago (1 edit) (+5)

so I just gotta wait to weeks after its out is all?

wicked nice game and art have a good one :D

AntonRR1 year ago(-3)

What do you mean "for free"? I already paid for the game? Is it not a payment? I don't think "for free" means what you think it means.

bitshiftgames1 year ago(+4)

"Everyone who bought the game will still get the new pack, a considerable amount of new content, for free."

I think the meaning is about as unambiguous (and accurate) as possible.

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