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Outside of Gina (where the sky is the limit in terms of size) I do think that you should "scale" the growth of all the other girls evenly so that your story doesn't get the infamous "power creep" where the main cast are just too big, and too strong to the point where you have to introduce new villains or multiple new villains just to give them a challenge again at a certain sage. After a  specific threshold, the story becomes less interesting of everyone on the cast gets too strong individually. But on the other hand you don't want to run out of sexy growth sequences to feed your patrons. So my suggestion is you just spread out the muscle growth sequences over new characters (like Akari, Aline or Rose) vs dumping too much into Stella or Jade who have already undergone huge growth spurts and should have a decent break for a while.

Sorry one last thing. Is there any way for me to "reset" my stats with certain characters as platonic vs romantic? Or what happens if you set multiple characters as "romantic?" Will there be options to make this more flexible in future updates so we can mess around with different character routes more easily and it's more time efficient to do?

Do you eventually have plans to add height and weight statistics for Mike, Enzi, Jonathan,  and Philipp? As well as Catherine, Albert, Susan, and the Executioner? You listed all their strength levels but no height and weight.

I selected to use the metric system at the beginning so idk if it's only implemented for the imperial system or it's not in either.

Also holy cow,  lvl 1 Aline is super tall at 180 cm. I'm 182 cm.

Ah, I was afraid of that answer. Any chance for #3, like a potential Albert transformation, your AI team could just skip the transformation sequence so it's barely any work at all and show him coming out of a cylinder chamber or something as a muscular boss?

I just think a bunch of muscular Amazons fighting a big muscular transformed guy on the serum has so much potential. Plus it would be cool to see him powered up since his sister already got it.

Does this game have a  younger sister in it? Big fan of the initially shorter and weaker sister outgrowing the older sibling and eventually towering over the brother in both muscle mass and height. 

Hey. Long time no see. I took a break from playing this and recently downloaded the latest update. I have some feedback if you're willing to read through all this.

If you could answer my questions in parts 2, 3, and 4 that would be so helpful.

1) Looking at the new images in the update, they look great. Especially  the glasses girl's growth sequence. Was that Susan the little sister getting revenge on her older brother Albert for stealing credit for her research? And then she's a boss you battle? I think this is only the 3rd major boss in the game so far? Awesome.

Also Gina's stage 5 transformation images are actually so much better than her old transformation stage images as you can really see the blow up in mass so clearly and the tightening clothing. Huge improvement there.

2) I still feel that the scale of some of your images is a little off. I know you can only do so much with AI art but in some panels, Stella looks way smaller than Jade (like when Stella is  carrying Jade" and in other panels Jade looks way smaller than Stella like at the Breakfast table. 

The canon size order at the moment is supposed to be Stella = lvl 5 Gina -->Akari --> Post Lab Jade--> Aline at the moment right? In the future, if you could put some images where they're all more or less next to each other it could help with the perspective.

3) I know this may not be popular among your general audience but there are some bisexual fans of your work out there who also enjoy seeing Male Muscle growth sequences in addition to the FMG in games. While FMG remains the primary fetish, I think the occasional male TF would be nice in terms of some of your boss fights maybe, or one of the main male characters (possibly an antagonist)  undergoing some muscle growth sequence.  

Maybe in a future update you could include a Boss fight with a serum powered Albert (Susan's brother I believe?) who undergoes his own muscle growth sequence? That would be awesome. Or a Male Boss who takes muscle growth serum and gets his own sequence at a later stage in the story.

4) Also, one last thing, I am constant replying the game with each update and my old save files throw an error each time. I tried skipping ahead but I left off at the end of Xici's lab the last time I played and it's taking a while to get back there. It would be great if you could introduce a feature for us to skip through more arcs, as I have to replay a lot of the game I already played wth every update. Right now I can only skip to "rivals." If there is a future feature to modularly view a certain arc  via a drop down list  just so I can quickly review the new content, that would be awesome.

Hey. Long time no see. I took a break from playing this and recently downloaded the latest update. I have some feedback if you're willing to read through all this.

If you could answer my questions in parts 2, 3, and 4 that would be so helpful.

1) Looking at the new images in the update, they look great. Especially  the glasses girl's growth sequence. Was that Susan the little sister getting revenge on her older brother Albert for stealing credit for her research? And then she's a boss you battle? I think this is only the 3rd major boss in the game so far? Awesome.

Also Gina's stage 5 transformation images are actually so much better than her old transformation stage images as you can really see the blow up in mass so clearly and the tightening clothing. Huge improvement there.

2) I still feel that the scale of some of your images is a little off. I know you can only do so much with AI art but in some panels, Stella looks way smaller than Jade (like when Stella is  carrying Jade" and in other panels Jade looks way smaller than Stella like at the Breakfast table. 

The canon size order at the moment is supposed to be Stella = lvl 5 Gina -->Akari --> Post Lab Jade--> Aline at the moment right? In the future, if you could put some images where they're all more or less next to each other it could help with the perspective.

3) I know this may not be popular among your general audience but there are some bisexual fans of your work out there who also enjoy seeing Male Muscle growth sequences in addition to the FMG in games. While FMG remains the primary fetish, I think the occasional male TF would be nice in terms of some of your boss fights maybe, or one of the main male characters (possibly an antagonist)  undergoing some muscle growth sequence.  

Maybe in a future update you could include a Boss fight with a serum powered Albert (Susan's brother I believe?) who undergoes his own muscle growth sequence? That would be awesome. Or a Male Boss who takes muscle growth serum and gets his own sequence at a later stage in the story.

4) Also, one last thing, I am constant replying the game with each update and my old save files throw an error each time. I tried skipping ahead but I left off at the end of Xici's lab the last time I played and it's taking a while to get back there. It would be great if you could introduce a feature for us to skip through more arcs, as I have to replay a lot of the game I already played wth every update. Right now I can only skip to "rivals." If there is a future feature to modularly view a certain arc  via a drop down list  just so I can quickly review the new content, that would be awesome.

can we have a NSFW scene between Crash Bandicoot and a muscular Coco dominating him?

Hey Don? Just some light feedback on your preview images. For this image, I think Stella's arms and shoulders should be thicker and wider. Stella is very top heavy with a powerlifter-esque build so I think her body type should reflect that: 

Much appreciated! <3

Would you be willing to at least step in a little bit and relay my message to your co-author in charge of Aline about keeping her muscular body type distinct/diverse compared to the other girls?

Well anyways Don. Overall I'm still happy you are trying to keep the Girls' body types as diverse possible. You actually listened to me and for the most part delivered on what you promised. Amazing work and I'm so happy to see the results.  As someone dabbling in AI as well, I know it can take a long time to get the images just right, plus you sometimes need to use photoshop to paint and edit on extra parts that the AI model screws up. So don't listen to the critics diminishing your work because it's AI. I think you and your team are doing a great job.
If I can humbly request another thing for you to consider? Make sure that Aline has a distinct look compared to all the other girls: Jade's leaner, bottom heavy look, Stella's wide bulky look, and Gina's all-rounder bodybuilder look. Aline should have some kind of very distinct muscular appearance compared to the rest of them in my opinion.  I think you should Google a specific body type and decide. Maybe a swimmer's body? MMA? Wrestling?

Yeah I just think some more roundness to the face at lvl 4 would help keep her looking cuter. Since she's your "innocent pure hearted character" and her face elongates a bit. But it's fine. Seems like you don't have time so it is what it is. I will always support you regardless of my own opinions.

I know this is probably too much work and you don't have to go this far but just regarding the consistency on the image sets for each stage of jade, I think your image sets are great for Jade_2 and Jade_3. When you get to Jade_4, I think the main issue is that she loses too much roundness to her face and her model looks a little too tall. So it looks like she aged 4-5 years from jade_3 to Jade_4. I know you're ridiculously swamped at the moment but if your team ever has time to tweak this I'd sincerely appreciate it.

Don, What do you think of my model matchup? Any plans to tweak the "scale" when you put them all next to each other for the next arc?

Can't wait to see your default characters side by side like I edited here. I'm not sure how accurate this is but I lined them up and unless Jade shrinks down a bit more, her model at max size is taller than Gina. But shorter than Stella.

However, Gina and Jade are the same height if Jade is one size smaller. So lvl 3 jade = lvl 4 Gina in height.  But lvl 4 Jade actually gets taller than lvl 4 Gina since Gina doesn't get taller. It's also crazy how drastically shorter Jade's old model looks in comparison. In conclusion, I think for now at least at the end of the Xici's lab arc Jade should end around lvl 3 vs lvl 4. Or somewhere in between like lvl 3.5 or something. Would be awkward to see her taller than Gina.

Makes sense. And it would take even longer to go against her Grandfather because as we know in Anime land, Old men are always the strongest. Also Besting Enzi right now would completely trivialize the power scaling in your universe. I like that there's legit power scaling in  Burlingfort. Unlike other FMG games, you are actually fleshing out the growth and progression of your girls.

So how does Jade's current strength match up with Enzi at her peak? About the same now? What about with or without her pills? It's very hard to tier Enzi because he's got a smaller frame at least compared to some of the beefier looking characters but is extremely fast and he's mentioned that he purposely doesn't train for mass but for speed.

So how does Jade's current strength match up with Enzi at her peak? About the same now? What about with or without her pills? It's very hard to tier Enzi because he's got a smaller frame at least compared to some of the beefier looking characters but is extremely fast and he's mentioned that he purposely doesn't train for mass but for speed.

I really just love the mysterious Jonathan. He's such a suave mood and so strong. Please don't ever weaken him or have Stella steal his strength or something. I love my muscle girls but guys need their time to shine too! <3

Ah so Stella is now larger than Akari. Would you say Akari is tied with Jonathan?

And Akari = Gina = Jade after her pills?
but Jade is slightly below Gina and Akari when her pills wear off?

More or less?

And are those 3 inches from her largest size when she takes the pills or does she retain 3 inches after she shrinks back down?

So how many inches does jade grow approximately when she takes her pills? 

So Don, if we were to do a size chart right now. In terms of pure muscle mass among the main cast, would this ranking be fair? What is your canon ranking at moment more or less? I'm doing this just based on the AI models I see. I keep forgetting if Stella is bigger than Gina atm or if Akari is bigger than Stella etc.

So in terms of total muscle mass I would say:

1) Tanya

2) Greg

3) Stella

4) Akari tied with Jonathan

6) Gina tied with Enzi tied with Jade after Jade takes 2 pills

7) Base Jade after pills wear off (possibly tied with Enzi here?)

8) Xici

9) Aline

11) Mike tied with  Philip (AKA dollar store Tuxedo Mask)

What would you say is the correct ranking atm? Hard for me to gauge jade's new size as it's a bit difficult for me to figure out how tall she is before she takes her pills vs after.

Yeah, The only image I felt looked really inconsistent was the pull-up image where I think I think her upper body looks a bit too huge compared to how she looks in the base model for Jade_4.  But then it's AI and can't be perfect plus Jade is always growing then shrinking back down while keeping a % of her gains.

also want to see Xici's sibling lab assistants both grow a bit eventually. Xici's clearly a bit insecure about feeling powerless and it's funny. So to see her two lab Doctors start to test pills on themselves would be hilarious since Xici would obviously boil over. Like a little angry rabbit.

When we finally see Jade next to Stella and Gina though, I'm still expecting Jade to have the smaller upper body, but a lower body that rivals both of them. Are you still going with this design overall?

So it's not quite clear given the text descriptions, but since Jade's white shirt rides up her torso to expose her abs after she takes her two pills does she actually just grow several inches taller after her dosage, but then shrinks back down afterwards?

Feedback-wise, I really liked the overall design you went with in all the Jade images: bottom heavy, thick strong thighs/legs and muscular core with shredded but still slimmer arms and shoulders compared to Gina and Stella.  The only image I felt looked really inconsistent was the pull-up image where I think I think her upper body looks a bit too enormous.

I've come around with it. I'm just super happy you actually listened to me regarding Jade.

I think what the game could really use though are a pair of muscular female and male villains. So far the main villains don't feel too threatening and the executioner just kind of seems like nothing more than an OP bodyguard.

I think most of us are fine with Stella getting huge and bossy. The "controversy" comes more from her getting huge through "cheating with drain magic that Gina just hands to her for free"  and kind of being lazy at the gym vs training hard like Gina or Jade. That being said, Don told me it was intentional to snowball the effect with the other girls so I respect the decision.

As for unpopular opinions, I actually like this FMG game more than any other because this is the only FMG game I've played where the muscle girls go toe to toe with super muscular men. Usually the guys are just average and weak in FMG games but having the girls needing to muscle up to go against huge guys, makes their achievements that much cooler for me.

Also I really loved "The Kiss of Muscle Growth (Sandy-Path)" by ScriptBoy. The whole sibling appeal is the energy that comes with muscle growth FMG overriding your logical brain's forbidden or taboo warnings. Just like the whole Devil Gina and Angel Greg thing you have going on in Gina's Gym. Anything similar to that one that you can remember?

Jade should still be cute though!  Remember that she's the innocent, studious foil to the not so innocent Stella!

Your team is working with you well! Nice job on the Jade look! I really appreciate how you are going to extra mile to make every muscular evolution of the core group of girls look different and unique and not just carbon copy bulky amazons who have bodies that all look like clones of your generic female bodybuilder AI generation. I hope you do the same with Aline! This is basically how I thought Jade's "final form" more or less should look like. Smaller arms, but very "tight" and lean muscle on the arms. Torso is incredibly muscular and shredded but still less "hulky" than Stella or Gina. But large powerful legs meant for kicking since this entire time with Enzi and her time with Gina, she's been defined as a "kick chick" martial artist.  Nice job not going overboard with her boobs as well. Her shoulders are a little too broad for me but the prompt looks close enough.  Try to stay on course and keep her build "bottom heavy" overall. I still think a subplot over her training with Enzi to land the ultimate kick to satisfy both him and her grandfather would be awesome.

I checked them out. I really liked "The Kiss of Muscle Growth (Sandy-Path)."

I just saw the new Jade Designs on Patreon.

I'm so happy you're actually taking my advice. It means a lot to me. Looks great in Pic #2 and Pic #3. Arms are about the right size. Not too bulky, shredded, lean, built for speed! 

I recommend her "final form" in the end should be "bottom heavy", with moderately muscular arms that are quite smaller than Stella's or Ginas but with curvy thick powerful looking legs and solid core torso with shredded abs. Jade is a kicking machine after all and less of a powerlifter like Stella or Gina. I really like this design direction so far based off of pics number 2 and 3! Superb! I really really love it! You and your team have done a fantastic job Don.

Hey Don? Just curious but I know you mentioned you like some muscle growth stories/games with FMG and brother/sister siblings. Which ones were you talking about?

Yeah of course. Again, it's all about making each character look distinct. I mean look at Bayshore Academy one of your favorite FMG games of all time. Each character looks pretty different. Mia is generally smaller, shorter, and leaner relative to the other girls but still very muscular and has the most shredded body and relative to the Male MC she's still even with him in height and more muscular after her second growth spurt. Jessica is tall and has a large upper body but also has an enormous ass and huge legs. Elena is the biggest by far with both a huge upper and lower body and is very tall. Sophia has about the same muscle mass as Mia but huge boobs compared to everyone else. So yeah it pays off to have everyone look unique and distinct. I'm actually hoping that you will go the extra mile and make each muscular character look MORE distinct body-type wise compared to Bayshore academy.  Fingers crossed! 

Really anxious about your Jade muscle growth re-design considering the "preview files" i found in an older copy of your game's package contents, which kind of showed muscle Jade as basically looking more or less the same as Gina's body but with jade's face. I think the biggest issue I had was that it physically seemed to age up jade in mature ways that weren't really consistent with her "cute Sifu" type of vibe which I think you should still maintain at least appearance wise.

I'm still very much liking my idea for the new Jade to be primarily "leg focused" with a leaner upper body and also determined to someday land the ultimate kick which she will practice with Enzi a lot.

Also I think you should introduce a new set of antagonists who are just straight up evil loose canons who are loyal to no one but themselves that Xixi might go to when she's desperate for more firepower. I'm thinking a couple of mad scientist black market doctors who are also a brother and sister to reflect a dark version of Gina and Greg. They use themselves as test subjects to inject illegal muscle growth drugs with monstrous side effects that mutate their  bodies to look distorted, twisted, and purple and it warps their faces into looking demonic. These two could be the ones responsible for the creation of Xixi's executioner (who could then turn out to be just one of many manufactured executioner clones they created).

Even if you don't go with it fully, consider making some kind of a muscle duo of mad scientists who are just a dark "Chaotic Evil" reflection of Gina and Greg but ones that the Mafia turns to when they are desperate and you could build your own character profiles around that concept.

Oh man. I really don't want Jade to turn to the dark side with XiXi. I was hoping Stella would slightly turn to the dark side and Gina would ask greg for an emergency Protein Shake to use on Jade. Wonder if the side effects of Xixi's lab will turn Jade evil.

I think in line with Xixi's drugs, you could make a case for them not necessarily bulking someone's arms up (because I want muscular jade to still look extremely distinct compared to Stella or Gina) but increasing muscle density a lot, in which jade's new look should reflect significantly a defined but compact upper body but a larger lower body with a focus on thicker more powerful legs for her kicking. Could even have a scene where Stella is talking smack to Jade about Stella still having much larger arms but Jade then mocks her through delivering a devastating kick that stops right in front of Stella's face but still knocks Stella over through sheer air pressure. That would be awesome.