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"Voices Of The Void" Pre-Alpha

Gather unknown signals from deep, silent space · By mrdrnose

Will I support the war?

A topic by Goblin0000004 created Apr 07, 2024 Views: 4,021 Replies: 32
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"I noticed that this game has a large Ukrainian community that wants to play it but is afraid of sponsoring the war in Ukraine with donations to the developer. As far as I know, the developer of this game is from Russia. I would like to know if my money from supporting this game will go to sponsor the Russian army, thanks to Russian taxes or in a similar way. Thanks for your understanding."


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according to google, russia has a 16.67% vat for E-services, so you do probably pay to russia by donating unfortunately, correct me if i'm wrong by the way

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Are you sure that the developer is from Russia?

"I'm interested specifically in where the developer is from in order to avoid contributing to Russian taxes."

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"I just wanted to donate to the developer but I'm afraid the money will go towards taxes in Russia."

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oh lol, i must've misread the question, i would guess he is czech, or russian, because of the various typing mistakes and czech and russian bieng the only translated languages in the game, sorry for the confusion

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"I think the misunderstanding of the question occurred because I translate my text myself using ChatGPT, so I apologize for that. As far as I know, previously it was stated on the website that it's a Russian game, although recently this information has been removed."



The thing is, the developer is either not from Russia (could be in Kazakhstan or something), has a legal entity in a country which isn't Russia, or has a person who's not living in Russia he trusts enough to manage finances for him.

As far as I know, you can't withdraw money from Patreon to a Russian bank account. Correct me someone if I'm wrong.

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I did a little research and found this developers post in his discord server. So yeah your money will probably end up in russian governments hands. 
Its a pity for me too.

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Concluding this based on his nationality is like assuming all Jews support or live in Israel. It is discrimination plain and simple. 

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If he lived in Russia, he would support the war without realizing it, since he would pay taxes when buying anything and these taxes would go to the government of Putin's Russia, thereby supporting the war.

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yeah i made a mistake, i was searching basing on word “russian” not “russia”, so all i could find is his nationality. and yeah he said multiple times before that he is not in russia. so its my bad sorry

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Anyway, he's Russian and you couldn't know if he's living in Russia at the moment or not

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Не знаю, как сам автор относится к ситуации, но это не сильно и важно, я считаю. Это инди игра, а не принадлежащая компании. Занимается либо автор в одиночку, либо с несколькими друзьями. Более того, сама игра бесплатная, то есть, доход у него только с Patreona(хотя я не сильно разбирался, ибо все равно донатить не буду(денег нет😢)). Так что, даже если он находится на территории России и пойдет тратить твои задоначенные деньги себе на продукты или еще куда-то, то налог, который государство получит с этого будет максимально мизерным. Без твоего доната ему все еще будут донатить другие игроки, так что ты не сильно повлияешь на ситуацию, я считаю.

Более того, разработчик недавно и сам был не в восторге от русского комьюнити. Даже писал нечто вроде "Лучше бы русское комьюнити вообще не наткнулось на VotV". Мне кажется, живет он в другой стране, просто родился в России(Ну, либо он более ответственен, чем я, и выучил английский на приемлемый уровень еще в школе, а не балду пинал).

Просто, моя логика такова: Если ты хочешь поддержать разработчика - сделай это. Даже если процент от твоего доната уйдет государству, это капля даже не в море, а в океане для государства. А разработчик будет мотивирован и рад донату. К слову, сам я из Запорожья, так что не не думай, что я уговариваю тебя проспонсировать "своё" государство)

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В любом случае, мои деньги пойдут на убийство моих друзей и близких. Я считаю, это не приемлемо.

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Ну, твоё право. Можешь попытаться спросить у самого автора в дискорде. Это вполне реально, насколько я понимаю. Но, возможно тебя забанят еще до того, как он ответит(

А может он сам и забанит

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Я спросил его лично, и он ответил, что не живёт в рашке. 

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Я из Днепра в Россию переехал полгода назад и вообще не вижу никаких проблем в плане налогов и прочего. Зато живу спокойно, к нам тут негатива от местных нету, не боюсь больше из дома выходить и нарваться на тцк и тд. Если ты сейчас сам не заграницей, то все прекрасно понимаешь

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"As we can see at the moment, we cannot determine whether the game developer remains in Russia or not. Therefore, I would not advise the Ukrainian community to donate to this project because by doing so, you may potentially support the war in Ukraine. I hope that we will find out soon whether the developer lives in Russia or not, and then we can draw conclusions."

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"I hope my question doesn't come across as racist because I simply want to know if I'm supporting a country that has attacked mine and is killing my friends. Thank you for your attention." СЛАВА УКРАЇНІ 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

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Слава УкраЇні

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Thanks for asking this question.  I work hard to make sure I have a total 100% sanction of the russian economy and anyone who supports the war.  I rushed into getting this game without doing any research and given all the good youtubes I've enjoyed of it felt it would be nice to donate.  Now I feel a little stupid finding out the game's potential but unconfirmed ties to russia :(

Many people will think this is silly, but when your own family and friends are being killed it hits very different.  I helped build a house in Bucha so this is all very close to me.

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I'm a much greater victim of Russia's actions than you may imagine and still happily support MrDrNose for the awesome game he's making. You judging the game based on its origins won't help me or hurt me or my loved ones one bit. Please stop thinking with borders and applying stereotypes based on which country's ID the person is carrying inside their pocket and just enjoy the project. You can make the difference in other, actually impactful ways, and refusing to grab 1.4 gigabytes from itch.io's servers aren't one them. All you do is make me sad that trying to support people like me, you miss on the opportunity to just sit down and enjoy something without backtracking into politics.

Your money can go with taxes if the developer has registered either an individual entrepreneur or a self-employed person

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"In any case, this money will be spent in Russia and taxed, so I will support the war by donating to the developer."

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I heard he lives in Kazakhstan actually. You may want to check though

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Again - i DONT live in russia so nothing will go to russia and stuff
Transactions are processed through paypal,  itchio and patreon so do with this info anything you want lol

Big brain hint - russian speaking =\= lives in russia

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"I understand that not everyone who speaks Russian is Russian, but as far as I know, you yourself wrote that you are from Russia, so that's where this question arose from."

MrDrNose is good at making jokes and personally, I'd rather he makes boratposting, but he is actually from Kazakhstan.

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then what about the boosty page that you made?

its a russian service and all transactions go through russia

dont you think by using it you support russia?

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bro probably forgot about Viktor Strobovski and all his other games and thought VOTV was all he had left to finish😭 like bro, finish one game at a time

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I have 2 questions, when will the game be released in steam, will Russians be able to buy it or not, and the second question is: how long do I have to wait for versions before release?

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"Ukrainians eager to learn more and discuss this situation with me personally can reach out on our Discord server at https://discord.gg/pmdbrmTY"

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Спасибо за заметку для разработчиков. Больше не буду афишировать перед иностранцами тем, что я из России. Скрою это! Благодарю. От всего сердца!