Post by GH-MrSomebody in Default Route (w/o cheating)

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There's some irony somewhere----in between BUGS, & new versions, & different modes (default/solo/advanced/etc) have *NEVER* actually gotten to D60! Then again, only found ----CONQUEST recently, not like some who've been on here over 6 MONTHS.

X5X6 (?)
Recently started trying the Higher (med) Quests ---haven't tried hard yet-----but some are flat out IMPOSSIBLE (see my other post) & MANY require a *LOT* of upgrades----eg, Chasity belt ----so mostly It's become an "upgrade as soon as possible" in order to do the tougher Quests-----but some need to simply be *REMOVED* [again, see other post]

Sounds like you've been doing this a while---ever come up against some Quests you couldn't do?

[DEFAULT-----b4 end of "Bank loan" (1st 21 days?) ------but Quests in general have a time limit.

X5X63 years ago(+1)

not really, some equipment requests are a bit BS luck based but shops reset daily so just a bit of traveling can give more insight but generally, i mainly see slave requests from servants guild or assignments on medium. fighters guild quests aren't too bad to do, dungeons are easily enough to be abused since mages guild for the free staff + fair and you can 2 shot most bandits with overgrow, just need some connon fodder, 4 slaves needed to beat a dungeon in my experience, and that's bandit forts on day 14. can also abuse the date feature to build wit up early to get to the caster class with study as an option in there. undead quests to kill undead are doable just be prepared to fail to clear a stage of the crypt one day, fully recover in the dungeon by passing time and try again that usually gives me the 7/8 needed for that quest.

honestly it's just planning to be fair. can sell bread and veg at the start for extra money, can usually get another slave for the bonus if you are careful and again gather and sell wood and gather fish for food.

regardless of upgrades they still have a chance of showing up in the shop and some of the other requests seem to offer items are rewards at times.

racial bonus's and unique classes are just the easy way of playing the game, for the druid class - elf, fairy dryad, can't remember if there's anymore races on that one, beserker - orc, valkyrie - female seraph, dragonknight - dragon kin, true sucubus/incubus - demon.

like heck the games not as easy as strive for power where 4 slaves + magic on master + long swords and chain mail pretty much allowed you to steam roll through the game.

again if you're struggling with medium take your time getting wood it sells for 10 gold each 3 slaves on wood can usually result in like 70/80 wood + with axes and bonus's given worker class + humans the easiest way, 70 0 to 800 gold a day, beginning is slow but you can also use extra rations to boost that by 15% production on the characters.

there's no right or wrong way to play the game. once i have the money covered for a payment and i'm maxed out on slaves i focus on production for more slaves or funding gear. by about day 5 i usually have the 1000 needed for the first repayment, that's 9 days of getting upgrades sorted, also can just buy materials like cotton from the shop while producing some to speed it up just sell some extra stuff.

the beast and half kin wolf gives bonus to hunting, nerid to fishing that's more production, dryad to farming if you want to go that route, there's always options to take it just lies in choices. once you're past the repayments since you only need 3 factions at 500 rep to progress through the mayor quest and get into not having to worry on deadlines. if you get all 4 you can get the bonus item but it's not all that useful.

solo doesn't work in my experience always gives me the option of the slave when i use that start and just puts me on default.. and that's annoying since i want the challenge of not being able to get an decent day one start.

quest wise it depends on the quest, trolls are weak to fire, druid class is early game utility just start as an apprentice on any of the races that get it.

anyways back to your question. it depends on the run and what the game feels like throwing at me quest wise, haven't really came across any i'd skip. sure i've failed a couple but in the long run it doesn't matter it's just a minor delay. like some item quests i'll just accept and deal with if i see the item in the shop somewhere. usually day 1 i complete what quests i can that need items from the shop before actually starting to play since 600 gold start with selling bread and veg usually sit around 550 to 700 gold after but have a few factions rep built up.

the repayments go up to day 89 where 100k is needed that's plenty of time to get 500 rep, same with day 50, since 4k gets you through the first 2 repayments. faction quests pop up near weekly and slaves reset weekly, shop resets daily. exotic slaver about every 2 weeks after the first week.

at this point i'm tempted to start as a gnome or goblin just for the penalties and see if that makes things any more difficult for me. but magic is busted for now so abuse it, since game seems to favour magic classes anyways.

X5X63 years ago

heck if your interested in what one of my saves looks like on a bad run where i got unlucky here you go https://we.tl/t-0AHDsPhWJu

mayor quest done

daisy quest - near complete in progress last couple of stages.

got screwed over on shop rng with only 1 or 2 axes and a scythe showing up, fighters guild giving me a dungeon in the jungle with about 4 centipedes second round got one shot each time, abandoned the quest and got lucky getting an ogre one or two, only upgrade i have is mansion rooms one. master has apprentice, druid, caster and necromancer classes + all 4 factions at 500 rep +, saves pretty hard to fuck up at this point, went double fairy start with mages guild for the hell of it.

saves in the link if anyone wants to have a mess around with it.

GH-MrSomebody3 years ago

I have 2 admit---the Nec is kinda fun ;-)

BUT----D29! *LOTS* different from the D14 (or earlier) many talk about.
WOW! You didn't even get the forge upgrade? --->>> So how did you make tools?!? [some quests---workers I think--requ specialize tools (like bone blade axe) ----or did you ignore those quests?]

1 staff, 1 Obs sword, rest weapons R crap----or NONE!
*PLUS*, very few materials (most went to pay bank? ) Ok, maybe my D29's weren't so bad afterall! LOL

FYI my best "chances"----both in fighting, & in Quests (having done many, many Default/solo runs now) is 1) Med Quests & 2) PUSH UPGRADES! (even on a bad run, Post D28---like yours----still have either weapons, or tools, OR (if enough saved resources) BOTH.
If unlucky (lockpicking fails/chests jam etc) Dungeon runs don't make a lot----so you're safest bet is saving gold or LOT of resources.
MIN upgrades: Forge1/Tailer1/Alchemy1 + rooms1

Oh, final note (took me several tries to figure this out!) if you *SLAP* that haughty stuck up princess *BEFORE* the elf's do (your only chance) you can avoid loosing anyone there----including "princess."

X5X63 years ago

Oh no i did get those quests just 3 shops worth of rng to complete them since shop at aliron + 2 villages at one point just churn the tools into rep points and keep what's needed, didn't really see many tools that are useful lot of fishing rod, hunting knives and pick axes, pick axes not worth it for me to get until after the mayor quest is done, hunting knives and fishing rods are a waste.

Upgrades are secondary to me, depending how good of a start i get it depends what i buy, if i get a goid start with a lot of axes and workers and couple of dancers I'll end up just buying weapons and skipping upgrades all together.

I will see if i can get a good run to show you what i mean. But quests i got were assignments, slave requests, kill ogre twice and jungle which if I'd have had week 2 i would have went for and probably beat because of actually having classes at that point.

My advice just take zepyhra to the elven capital and let her negotiate still avoids a slave and gets some interesting story out of it.

Never made tools i just check daily for them, I'd rather spend the time producing material and gaining exp than take a few hours travel to upgrade just to travel back when u can make money and just buy it if it shows up.

Bit sad nec skill for undead is still wip. Kind of would like to see more races or at least solo mode fixed so i can't sway things in my favour a bit.

It's tempting to do a social class only run it would be slow but i wouldn't need to leave the mansion.

High wit and at least 1 thief class for chests stick it on a mage and 99% of the time you'll get the chest open

GH-MrSomebody3 years ago

Would definitely be interested in your Quests (any runs you "finish" D21 or earlier! [ie "end" bank quest] )
Pretty rare can even do all easy quests w/o upgrades! (buy/luck only) Eg, "Obsidian Axe" (needs 10 Obs just to MAKE!

I have same problem---takes good luck 2 find useful tools in short time---but DIFFERENCE is *HUGE*! (even "none" vs "Steel")

if you only get stone, not much benefit. Fishing rod's don't help as much (~20% cloth) UNLESS u get the hi end stuff (EXPENSIVE! to buy!)
But hi quality knives help w meat & leather; + (new version) Tailor.

I just know if I'm gonna *GRIND* it all the way out to D29+ (UGH) Best to MAX tools & upgrades. (steel min; Mythril is better)

Will have to try a run w a Zeph to the capital. (very hard to get unless they're you're 1st two)

Chests----do you know if Wits impacts chest "luck"? (often mine fail/jam, even w thief)
Best is thief + Engineer, but takes *LOTS* of Guild points!

Eiyal3 years ago

You mean you don't date your slaves? Because when you date them you can train/study/rise charm.

Wits have a huge impact on chest lockpicking, you don't need to have a lot, around 40 is enough with thief.

If you don't train your slaves no wonder you struggles so much. A tips: growth is very important as it affect how fast you can level up.

Any slave below average in growth is not worth having, good or higher is perfect, you'll see the difference instantly.

On another note I have done a run with prostitutes, upgrade capacity to have 10 people, no fishing and finished the reputation quest on 3 guilds by day 24 easily (the 4th is the servant and guess what, I go with them at the beginning) (oh and by day 24 I had 3k+ already).

On the first 2 weeks I had 3 prostitutes. MC + Daisy and 2 others slaves going dungeons, didn't even bother fishing when they returned.

3rd week I bought another slave for prostitution and that's all.

Doing the reputation quests on easy/medium.

Workers needing a tool? I bought it in the shop, refresh everyday.

Mages needing a beer or whisky/ aphrodiacs? same. I buy them each time they appear in the shop.

Fighters wants something dead? MC is here with his squad 2 frontlines/ 2 mages/healers and the job is done. My equipments? All bought from shop, no need for something at 1k gold, any cheap weapons are a direct upgrade to your DPS then you use what you got from the dead/dungeons. I tend to favor armor first for survivability, need less healing.

In this run I typically buy daggers, there are surprisingly efficient and very cheap.

I have done those runs multiples times, no cheats needed, no impossible quests to remove.

GH-MrSomebody3 years ago

Yes def date ( & train) them----but only 1/day allowed, so that's ~ 2 each in 20 days. (if 10 char) [a *LOT* depends on their Fs too!]

Interesting. Maybe some (?) of my failed attempt R from low wit (LOL) thieves? If you get a "Dun CLEAR" early on, most have low stats---except maybe Master, & that's usually only from Training & usually only Physics. (need at least 1 thief for those)
I'm guessing 21D (?) Before I have more than 1 40+ Wit; Except for Fish/cook (fishing limited by slots!) wit chars just aren't as useful outside combat----most tasks take Physics.
-->> Do you use *COOKS*?!? I didn't use to, but since "cooking" more been trying it more----however, takes up 1 Critical *EARLY* class for my Wit chars. SO... Debatable. (might be "cheap" but even cooking for 5 can take 12h (low wit char) or more!
App/scholar, Hunter, (cook?) THIEF. early on need GOLD resources more, so get thief 2/3rd etc.

What's average? "good"? [hate that nonspecific stuff!] 2? 3? 4?
Actually I've found Factors R more imp that Growth: Take Physics: F1 vs F4: F4 trains faster -> higher Phy = higher combat dam, more production, etc. F1's R pitiful (FYI Daisy's an F1) Wits R similar.
You can always "speed up" growth XP-----but low F mean less classes so limits options. [Master MC often "grows" way too fast]
I think cook is (off top head) 25 Wit? (min)

HOOKERS-----What VERSION? That's 1 more thing he's changed recently. (worse, IMHO)
Even b4 his "nerf" fishing was more profitable than "harlot" class----even moreso now.
So ALL 10 (?!) were hookers? (including Master?) no healers or anything else?

Would be interested in what *QUESTS* you did [not all Quests R impossible, but *SOME* are, so depends on luck...) & UPGRADEs [would need at least to have 10 char----but you'll need a LOT more for med Quests or to craft things.

Try a Hooker run w v *5.3* [most recent I've used] has his "nerf" built-in-----let me know Quests & Upgrades & days. (D)
OH, FYI, Beer/Whiskey easily crafted (cooking) provided u have grain.

but

"aphrodisiacs"----1 of those *LUCK* things! *W/O UPGRADES* (see how imp they are?)
you get 6 days [even on "easy"] sometimes only get 1 or 0/3. [or worse, 2/3 LOL]

Actually, (depending on LUCK! LOL) D24 is cutting it pretty close. [D28 is Greedy Bank steals gold day! ]
Best I've done so far: (assume bad luck--includes QUESTS & SHOPS) PUSH UPGRADES; Med Quest for Workers/Servants/Mages;
(1 more reason Quests important) "Dungeon Clear" (have another post on "Impossible Quests) R all "FIGHTER" Quests (I think?)

You're post is a little confusing---did you use hookers? Or mages? (or are those 2 diff runs?)

I do like Mages---but 1 problem (early on) is they need STAFFs. Need Upgrades (to craft) *OR* most R EXPENSIVE to buy! Can easily spend 1k gold or more for just ONE staff! (did your mages have staffs? ---I assume u bought?)

Daggers R nice----but not useful for mages----& w/o upgrades R mostly a "luck" item (R u telling me you bought 6 daggers in 6 days?) + (again, depends on luck!) say a *BONE* or stone? (been a while since craft a dagger) VS STEEL or better... & Daggers R low dam anyway. [who R your Dun Runs against? Goblins? Bandits? or?)
Depends on who you're up against, But assume no armor---& only daggers can get you "killed" (severe dam = you can't fight & low prod)
(even an easy "Dun Clear" vs Bandits can B too much)

If you reply let me know what *VERSION* (v) you're using, as so much has changed in last several.

Eiyal3 years ago

Oh boy, I didn't want to post another long message but here we go. It's mostly from memory so no detailed/ day by day step.

First thing to note, I played the 1rst game since nearly the beginning so I know how the mechanics works. This game is very similar.

I'm playing the current version aka 0.5.3a, my previous post was in this version in one run.

Typically my MC is a mage/healer and my 1rst slave is a combattant, Daisy is also a mage/healer.

When possible I buy 2 daggers and eventually a mace for Daisy (if no staves are available). As soon as some kind of armor appear (even light armor/cloth) I buy them, the cheap ones will do, this will improve survivability for combat. I insist I buy the cheapest available for the MC and the combat slave, this is priority number one.

I do not use cooks.

Average is 3 I think.

I insist, Growth is the most important stat, it's the only stat you can't improve, the other stats can be upgraded, F1 and F2 are cheap to upgrade so anybody with those stats can become a decent fighter/mage whatever you want.

When I look for a slave, they need at least F3 (Average) then a F4 (Good) or F5 (Excellent) in the stat I need them, For example a whore would be at worst F3 in growth then F4 or F5 in Charm and Sex factor (worst case F3 if bad luck but can be upgraded through classes so no worry).

Daisy with F3(upgraded cheaply remember) in wits with the good classes can very much kick ass (but mainly here to heal), don't forget that some classes gives additional wits/stats so she can be over 60 in wits while being F3.

[Master MC often "grows" way too fast] => other slaves can grows even faster that means big power up, you'll need F4 growth for that.

To make things easier in the 1rst week I train the combat team (MC, Daisy, the free slave + 1 whore) it will be a team of 4 so one whore will join, if possible I grab a slave from the bandits, this new slave depending of their stats will be temporary combattant or not so my whore can go back to work.

In order to make more cash you need to sex and train the charm of your whores, I usually train mainly 2 whores to improve incomes. Don't forget that some clothes improves charm, it is good investments so buy them whenever it appears in the shop.

Would be interested in what *QUESTS* you did

Hmm? all of them? obviously as I said I don't craft the items so I look for them in the shop if they appear else it's a skip. At first I do the easy quests. With a team of 4 I could clear kill quests (wolves, skeletons, ogres), clear dungeons (avoid the bandit Fort if you can't kill the assassins and the troves are indeed difficult so I might skip them early). Usually I do a mix of easy and medium quests at the same time, not all of them on medium at the beginning.

Regarding potions and assimilate I buy every potions/drinks as soon as they appear in the shop because I know some quests requiring them will appear one day.

& UPGRADEs

By day24? Mansion capacity 10 and master bedroom 2 or 3, one luxury room for the lol, that's it nothing else.

No cooking, no crafting, no tailoring.

Try a Hooker run w v *5.3* [most recent I've used] has his "nerf" built-in-----let me know

That's what I did in my previous post, no gold problem there.

OH, FYI, Beer/Whiskey easily crafted (cooking) provided u have grain.

I already know that but intentionally bought them instead of cooking, my hookers earns me much more by doing their work than cooking.

Once I have a team of 5 combattants the rest of my slaves are hookers and works non stop, I had 4 hookers by day 24. 2 of them well trained and equipped for the job, the 3rd partially trained and well equipped and the last one not trained at all and somewhat equipped, one of them even had a F2 in Charm ( the 1rst I bought if I remember right, not much choice at the moment).

All my hookers had at least Maid, Harlot, Geisha, Dancer classes, some had the bard and the pet. That's what growth factor can give you.

My combattant team have a lot of classes too, at least 6 or 7 each if I remember right so not much can threaten them (the trove can be though) relatively to the story quest I mean.

I do like Mages---but 1 problem (early on) is they need STAFFs.

In the beginning Daisy had a mace... it was the only thing available but hey it does more damages than empty handed. Basic staves will appear like wooden staff or iron staff, those will be enough until you loot the dungeons (and worse case a dagger is fine too).

Depends on who you're up against, But assume no armor---& only daggers can get you "killed"

You assumed wrong, I did say I prefer armor first, light and medium armor are enough for early threats, at least one piece per person as soon as possible. Try to have healers asap too and worse case buy some life crystals. 2 healers are quite enough for clearing dungeons and don't forget that if you are low health you can go back and finish the dungeons after your characters healed up (of course out of combat).

Don't forget you can buy dungeons, the easy ones will give you enough xp to boost survivability since you'll level up fast (remember growth is the factor here).

Hum I think that's all? Sorry for the length, I tried to order it but well I'm not used to write so much and from memory.

GH-MrSomebody3 years ago (1 edit)

no worries---length. (sometimes I do long posts too! lol)

Haven't tried Hooker run in 5.3-----maybe I will.

SO, if no COOK (class) do you still use cooking? [1 more debatable thing that can still take a *LOT* of time early on!]
SO MUCH is a TIME/RESOURCE usage Question (FORGE for example, can still take 2 char over 20h!!! )

Upgrades----Not Forge? [MC bedroom not really helpful---can still only date 1/day; Maybe w 2+ Hookers?]
You did mention Chars----1 -> 2 is cheap, but F2-> F3 & F3-> F4 are costly, So i Assume you have mult char on (Magic/Iron) Wood? {can't get those from easy Dun] ---I think it's 10/ for just 1 Char F2 -> F3;

Quest----YES, more info would B helpful! Esp since you mentioned you skip some?!?
(maybe you skip the "Impossible" ones ;-) [Just from memory, there's 2-3+ Quests w items you *CANNOT* buy! (med, I think?) So??? ]

[until you get 500 PTS, you only get 1/Guild/Week, so...]

Especially RELEVANT:
1) any *MED* quests    [D1 only easy] & ...
2) anything you SKIP    [not all Quest items R avail to buy, so maybe you skip what I would CRAFT??? Eg, "Magic Cloth" etc]

How many char did you upgrade? (upgrades again!) ESP F2->F3, or F3 -> F4 [both 10M or 10 Ir wood + 500g
oh, & *WHEN* ! (D21's a *LOT* DIFFERENT than 1st 14 days! )

"....so anybody with those stats can become a decent fighter/mage whatever you want."-----Mage-----Maybe. FIGHTER, NO.
Fighters depend heavily upon Physics F,---- you really need F4+ to make a good one.

Mages (Daisy or other) mostly depend upon your *STAFF* [luck?] & if no crafting, mostly a buy/drop issue. (luck)
Mace---I assume u mean "club"? (clubs & swords, but no "mace")

lol! Even the "skip" makes a difference long-term! [NO cook, FEW upgrade, etc]

Appren + Wits, But I assume you use Scholar instead since you mentioned heals? [Daisy ain't no Elf, so no Druid....]
Do you have more than 1 Thief? [checking classes that give Wits Bonus] Eng Req 500+ pts;
I assume Trainer is out [Req Phy 40] ? ;
"Alchemist" must also be bought (500+ Pts)

F4's or F5's R great----but again, *LUCK* [sometimes can't find them early, so either WAIT, or buy poor stats... ;-( ]

Getting more than 1 char (unless you Train --a *LOT*) to 60+ Wits by D20 is pretty hard in my XP;
How do u ? (Make them both thieves? ) [Gr F won't help here, only Wits F]

Training [20 days] @ 1/day = 20 ---->> That's at most 2/Char if 10 char; (actual inc depends on your Charm F & their F)
or, do you only train a few?

I Should do a Hooker run & let you know what Q's I get. (but if takes too long/ Time/Grind, no benefit vs other "methods")
B4 D21???

PS hopefully fixed all my typo-----very tired & eyes R buggy...

GH-MrSomebody3 years ago

Missed 1 Q
u mentioned Hookers & mages:

Did u use any Workers/Farmers/Hunters? [classes]

If only 2 Hookers (which don't pay much) might as well get Worker/Hunter & just sell stuff (most fighting benefits come from Hi stats---& classes. )

GH-MrSomebody3 years ago

added: mixed feelings about buying stuff can't use in ADVANCE [aphrodiacs---100g EACH! so 5x=500]
as others have mentioned, gold's *TIGHT* esp 1st 3 weeks...
IMHO best only buy *AFTER* get Quest-----this is def 1 way have come up *SHORT* on gold before...

[stuff sells for ~ HALF----or less----of what u buy it for]

GH-MrSomebody3 years ago

Sorry Eiyal----1 last question (LOL!)

Given the whole "Dungeon runs" vs Upgrade [50 wood/25 cloth] + Need 1 space ("rescue" slave) so only *FOUR* early on---I assume priority, is to:
1) get materials ASAP, (Fight/get 5th slave when can)
2) UPGRADE (so 10 rooms) and *THEN*
3) work on Magic Wood/Iron wood (takes more time) for Char Upgrades.

Correct?

Do you save 1,000 gold (for D14!) anywhere?
[always tempting to buy betters weapons/armor when you can!]

Eiyal3 years ago (2 edits)

So huh I'll reply in order of your posts

- I do not cook nor forge nor tailor anything as you said yourself it is time and resource consuming. My hookers spend their time working. By day 24 my top hooker gains 200ish, the 2nd 150ish and 3rd 100ish (from memory) Per DAY, the 4th I don't remember so around 500 gold/day easy. I also had already 3k+ in gold by that time.

- MC bedroom is useful, not for dates as it doesn't change but for sex. Having sex gives exp to both partners, it is still the case for a threesome ;). The exp is useful for leveling faster, faster leveling gives a boost in stats if you choose the right classes, it can even upgrade a factor depending on the class (for free!)

- Maybe I was unclear (posting late doesn't help) I don't upgrade all factors and certainly not all the way to F4/F5. If I want a fighter I look for Growth then Physical (starting with F3 but higher the better), the other factors are irrelevant (wits is good too), I do not upgrade them. I upgrade them only if I need a rounded character and no farther than F3.

- Quests, I mostly do easy and then some med (2 easy to 1 med) and yeah I skip those like ethereal/magic clothes which need to be crafted or adamantite whatever, I do look for them in the shop though. That or I may get lucky in the dungeons which you should totally buy and clear, it usually pays for itself either in materials or gold + exp for your characters.

- I upgraded the combat team in the area they were lacking to at least F2, Daisy being a mage needed more wits. I don't think I upgraded when it asks for iron woods and remember some classes upgrade your factor if you meet the requirement, others gives stats directly. When I upgraded would be the 1rst week for F1>F2 and the 2nd for F2>F3. I might have upgraded 1 or 2 hooker in sex factor, don't remember much about that. That's all, I don't upgrade much because I choose my slaves well, they are specialists in their field. Any further upgrades was through leveling up and choosing the right class to boost their expertise.

- "....so anybody with those stats can become a decent fighter/mage whatever you want."-----Mage-----Maybe. FIGHTER, NO.

Fighters depend heavily upon Physics F,---- you really need F4+ to make a good one.

I meant a decent one, I didn't say an excellent fighter and again starting at F3 (average) you can easily attain fake-F5 through leveling up with the right classes if I remember right there is1 class that give you that upgrade and a multitude of classes that gives +Physics, those go over the cap factor.

- Yeah I meant a club and it was temporary until something better drop either from dungeons or shop so yeah luck but the shop refresh everyday and I do multiple dungeons a day (not the 1rst week of course as not strong enough but at least 1 per day/2 days in the 1rst week), she is here to heal either way so wits is more important as it as a direct impact on that.

- Mansion upgrades are costly and mainly mid-game/ end-game, You must focus on the election process first to get the bank out of the way.

- Yeah scholars for healing, any classes that grants wits goes on my mages/healers so yeah thief too. Eng, trainer, Alchemist would come sooner or later but it's not a priority.

- F4 and F5 sure are rare so early on I look at F3, not lower

- Getting more than 1 char (unless you Train --a *LOT*) to 60+ Wits by D20 is pretty hard in my XP

Leveling up fast is the answer here hence the importance of growth factor, I do not attain 60+ by training alone, classes and equipment gives extra stats. Having 2x or 3x your classes by the same time makes a lot of differences after that there is a soft cap as leveling get slower and slower. Try a slave with a F4 or F5 in growth and see the difference for yourself.

- I mainly trained my core team, 4 combattants (MC included), then 2-3 hookers, the 5th combattant arrived late so was barely trained (but leveled up nonetheless). The last slave was a hooker too, not trained but equipped so she brought some gold. Total 8 slaves.

I didn't get the REP for the 3 guilds before D21, it was D24.

- I used hunters on all my combattants (shamelessly for the double attack), not on my hookers. In order to get more money you need to train/pump up their charm, it pays quickly. When I clear the dungeons/locations I loot every resources there, it gives some security funds or materials for future upgrades.

- Buying in advance insure you have enough when the quest pop up, those are rare so it won't make you bankrupt to buy one from time to time since they pop maybe once or twice per week and doing dungeons gives loads of materials, in case of need I would sell those instead of the potions. Since I don't do Mansion upgrade early I don't need those resources yet so if I need money there it goes.

- Sorry Eiyal----1 last question (LOL!)

Yeah pretty much as you said for 1-3

Yup gold and pennies are pocketed asap, eventually if a good slave show up I catch it, if the shop have something to raise charm I take it too. I don't buy better weapons and armor, certainly not before D14 but then again I generally find better stuff in dungeons runs. I try to have 2 hookers before D14. Worse case you can go fishing, your fighter will catch a crap ton of fishes and sell them off. So no I'm not troubled with the debt here, at least playing this way. I'm sure there are other possibilities but that's the style I play and like.

I don't see the urgency to get the 500 REP before D21, the bank demand payment only at D28 and it's 3k. If I don't have enough REP I have enough gold to pay them so I'm chill usually.

If you have more questions I'll try to answer them but I didn't play for a week or 2 now (busy busy). I'll finish my current run (I'm doing the ****SPOILERS**** princess arc ****END OF SPOILERS****) and later I'll make a new playthrough, maybe I'll be doing a detailed day by day report (no hour per hour please, I'm playing to have fun) and tell how it goes but it shouldn't pose any problem.

Edit: Facepalm a new version got out 0.5.4 here goes my save I guess (with each new update I start anew, I don't use old saves)

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Eiyal3 years ago

So, I did a run with the new version 0.5.4.

Decided to make it more difficult for me, like not using druid on my MC (Mag 1 not enough) and be more of a fighter. In this run apart from MC and the free slave all other slaves will be Average F3 in Growth to show you it's possible, you'll still see that the slaves level up fast.

Here is the report Day by day, I can give the saves too (some days missing because forgot to save).

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1rq1PVomg9HQ6hUbrDgPHVqz1blFsgIAC?usp=sha...

The report is very long so the conclusion for those who doesn't want to read : It's possible easy.

Did not get lucky in the shop for armor, first week was more difficult with only 1 healer.

New default game 0.5.4

MC Tribal Elf Phy 5 Wit 3 Cha 1 Sex 5 Mag 1

Starting class Archer

Sex Trait Life Power

Day 1 :

Visit the 4 guilds, siding with the Servants

Halfkin Wolf Eleana Growth 5 Phy 5 Wit 3 Cha 1 Sex 5 Mag 1 Tam 2

Starting class Thief

Sex Trait Life Power

Sold Bread and vegetables = 100 gold

slave shop roll was meh, bought a human Vikki 450 gold Growth 3 Phy 2 Wit 3 Cha 2 Sex 3 Mag 1 Tam 4 Harlot and Rogue class

Sold Fish = 75 gold

bought Animal gloves > 100 gold

bought Stone dagger > 104 gold

Notive Board

Workers Iron Pickaxe > skip

Servants Work away > skip

Fighters Dungeon clear > Accept

Mages Wolf threat > Accept

Trained in charm an sexed Vikki

Eleana goes fishing

Vikki Harlot

Sold fish

Bought Daisy > 200 gold

Trained in charm Vikki

Sexed Eleana

Bought 1 shard life

Wolf threat cleared

Trained Phy and sexed Eleana

Sexed Vikki

Vikki leveled up > Maid

Eleana leveled up > Fighter

Bought wooden club > 160 gold

Study with Daisy

Sexed Daisy

sold meat > 33 gold

clear goblin cave

Eleana leveled up > Rogue

Sold loot > 266 gold

Bought slave for prostitution > 371 gold Growth 2 Phy 2 Wit 1 Cha 4 Sex 5 Mag 1 Tam 5 growth here is less important, need gold

bought 10 wood, upgraded MC Mag

used exp scroll on MC > Scholar

Daisy leveld up > Apprentice

sold stone (loot from goblin cave)> 175 gold

used scroll on Oma > Harlot

Studied with Daisy

bought a bone club > 130 gold

Sexed Eleana

goes to a bandit den, wasn't able to finish in one go, have to go back to mansion

sexed Vikki > leveled up > Geisha

stufied with Daisy, leveled up > Alchemist

Bought Animal gloves > 100 gold

bought 25 wood

Eleana leveled up > Archer

cleared the bandit den, executed the boss since no room

bought bone medium armor and cloth robe > 367 gold

practiced charm with Oma

Notive Board

Workers Bone Pickaxe

Servants Timid average > Accept

Fighters None? maybe because didn't finished the previous yet

Mages 9 woods > Accept

Mansion upgrade Rooms

Pacticed charm with Oma

Sexed Eleana

Oma leveled up > Bard

If Vikki and Oma works full time > 240 gold/ day, not the case yet for Vikki since she's needed as a warrior

upgrade finished, can accept servant quest

For testing purpose bought a slave (Ona) for prostitution with low growth 374 gold Growth 2 Phy 3 Wit 3 Cha 3 Sex 3 Mag 1 Tam 4

practiced charm with Ona

Sexed Eleana

go for fighter quest

Eleana leveled up > Ranger

Daisy leveled up > Worker

fitghter quest clear > Daisy, Eleana and Vikki Down

Got Human Growth 3 Phy 2 Wit 2 Cha 4 Sex 4 Mag 2 Tam 5 > keep as hooker

D10

Practiced Charm with Trisha

For testing purpose bought 2 slaves (Larhonda(human) and Grephine(elf) ) for combat, Growth 3 Phy 4 Wit 3 Cha 1 Sex 3 Mag 2 Tam 3

Growth 2 Phy 2 Wit 3 Cha 1 Sex 1 Mag 3 Tam 3 > very bad character here

new cambattants and replace Vikki

D11

Mansion upgrade master bed

Study with Grephine

bought an iron staff > 400 gold

Sold loot > 189 gold

bought 1 aphrodisiac > 100 gold

bought grove dungeon > 100 gold

D12

Going to dungeon

Larhonda leveled up > Archer

Grephine leveled up > Scholar

Larhonda leveled up > Fighter

last level against a Troll, Larhonda Down

As of D12 my hookers earns me 123+96+53+33 = 305 gold/day so by day 28 4500+ gold without practicing more charm

Got Daisy quest

D13

Trisha leveled up > Harlot

Grephine leveled up > Druid

Sexed Larhonda

sold loot > 460 gold

bought Animal gloves and animal ears > 220

D14

Sexed Eleana and Larhonda

Trained Larhonda

Eleana leveled up > Worker

Larhonda leveled up > Rogue

Notive Board

Workers wood > Accept

Servants work 2 days > Accept just for rep

Fighters goblin threat > Accept

Mages threat wolves > Accept

bought 1 aphrodisiac

bought 1 animal ears

Servant dress for Daisy > 150 gold

Ona leveled up > Bard

cleared fighters and mage quests

D15

Studied with Grephine

Sexed Larhonda and Grephine

bought a bandit den

Daisy leveled up > Bard

Grephine leveled up > Archer for the hit chance

upgraded Phy fac for Daisy F1 > F2

Larhonda leveled up > Thief

Made the soup for the church

D16

Hookers earnings 440/day

practiced charm with Trisha

Trisha leveled up > Bard

Sexed Eleana and Larhonda

bought lacy underwear and animal ears > 270 gold

bought medium leather lower armor > 496

Guild REP : Fighter 316 Workers 130 Servants 336 Mages 407

going to the trove dungeon

Oma leveled up > natural pet

Grephine leveled up > Shaman

D17

studied with Grephine

Sexed Eleana and Grephine

Eleana leveled up > Hunter

D18

Trained Larhonda

Larhonda leveled up > Ranger

sexed Larhonda and Grephine

bought 3 aphrodisiacs, 2 whiskey > 360

bought 1 cloth pant > 260

D19

practiced charm with Ona

sexed Larhonda and Grephine

bought bandit fort

retreated before the end

D20

trained Grephine

got quest to train Daisy

Ona leveled up > Geisha

D21

Pactriced charm with Oma

Sexed Grephine and Larhonda

mansion upgrade master bedroom

Notive Board

Workers goblin threat > Accept

Servants work 3 days > Accept just for rep

Fighters wolves threat > Accept

Mages whisky > Accept

D22

Practiced charm with Ona

Sexed Eleana, Larhonda, Grephine

Bought Caster class

Grephine leveled up > Caster

D23

studied with Grephine

Eleana leveled up > Templar

Larhondar leveled up > Hunter

D24

Oma leveled up > Geisha

Trisha leveled up > Pet

Waiting for Daisy...

Guild REP : Fighter 462 Workers 320 Servants 476 Mages 523

at 8 AM 3182 gold

With new version need 3, have already 2 (Servants and Mages)

D25

Not doing much but could do dungeons even without Daisy

Train Phy Larhonda

Sex with combat team

D26

Train Phy Larhonda

same as previous day...

D27

Ona leveled up > Succubus

same as previous day

Daisy returned

Day28

At 00AM 5344 gold

Notive Board

Workers 42 breads > Accept

Fighters Dungeon > Accept

bought breads in shop

cleared dungeon at 03AM

Paid 3000 gold at 08AM still have 2705 gold + materials

Lich location at 08AM

Lich killed

Support 3/3 Loan suspended

This version made some changes but the loan is not a big problem, I was able to buy weapons and equipments no problem, you only need 2 guilds support which make it easier even.

I really don't see why you struggle so much, I even had the luxury of having some characters down in dungeons, it didn't spiraled me into defeat.

If you still have question I will answer them.

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