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For those who don't want to discover them all yourself:
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Backgrounds:
Widow gives cunning / Princess gives etiquette / Scholar gives academics / Countess gives self defense / Court Lady gives politics / Pirate gives courage
People:
Ria gives charm / Emmett gives eloquence / Gisette/Jarrod ending gives manipulation / Gisette gives beauty / Woodly gives poise / Lisle gives history / Clarmont gives people knowledge / Hamin gives leadership / Ana gives grace / Lyon gives intelligence Zarad gives charisma / Jasper gives insight / Penelope gives *small) charm and (small) people / Cordelia gives (small) ettiquite and grace / Ava gives small intelligence and manipulation
the bonuses are unlocked at the same time as the epilogues as per a backer choice there is a special ending/epilogue/path that involves romancing both siblings a variation of the political marriage Jarrod and romance gisette - the bonus and epilogue are different for the special epilogue and gisette’s normal epilogue so you will have do both to get all the bonuses
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I just noticed, but no bonuses for Sayra? Is it because how hard she can be to befriend, so the reward is just managing it at all??
yeah I thought there would be a boost for each character... I spent many hours trying to get lord blains route for his boost in the 1.0 version to discover that it wasn't me but the game. Maybe because her say's route doesn't really have much character development, as the interactions are very very brief, compared to the other characters.
OHHHH this is after the interview where you choose your romance partner right? Matchmaker won't let you choose Jarrod cuz he sucks lol, you have to reassure him after her speech that you choose him and he'll calm down. Unless it's a bug, because if you didn't choose a different romance partner then you should be able to tell him you chose him despite what the matchmaker said.
Been awhile since I've done this, but I think when you're talking with the matchmaker you have to keep arguing with her and insisting you want Jarrod. I think if you agree with her the game assumes you mean it.
More hints at what’s going on there while playing as a historian (not yet in the game) otherwise there’s still things you don’t know about Jasper/the isle even if you get married
This guide goes over everything for week 4, it'll show you what you need to clear the trial: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yjMV_WC3uevdsybfZXdRU0Sj2dBhVUcLEu9axLx06n8/...
There are two more conditions than just her friendship. (She's by far one of the hardest epilogues to get.) One involves making sure Jiyel gets the best possible ending and the other involves convincing her of something difficult before negotiations ^ . ~
I just double checked - there's two achievements that will help you know if you are on the right path - there's an achievement with Avalie in week six and an achievement for getting all legendary outcomes in week seven (there aren't any achievements for individual legendary outcomes, just all of them)
hey FearfulSymmetry, sorry to bother you but I've been genuinely struggling for 3 days (I'm not joking) to get Avalie's ending. I've coem to the conclusion that I need to get the Jiyle x Arland legendary ending. If you have some advice for me on how to achieve these ending.
You'll recieve
(+∞ my gratitude) (legendary btw)
(-10000 rivalry with me) (ik, i kinda feel a rage against you because u have gotten the Jiyle ending)
To be fair to my pirate's uh... "skills" in manipulation and general persuasiveness, it makes sense that Revaire fell and that would break the peace and the isle disappeared. I did however broker peace and prosperity in every other country so it was odd that it was considered a total fail of a summit. Sure it wasn't perfect and therefore the final summit, but everyone aside from Revaire did pretty good for themselves! I don't actually know if it has anything to do with the Ria Romance Fail, I'm pretty sure I did everything right in her romance so it's probably bugged.
There are conflicting factions in the Isle and an increasingly powerful one is looking for any excuse to get out of the deal with Katyia.
So in order to keep the summits going you need to get good ends or better *everywhere*.
Revaire gives you two options however, a good peace outcome or a good rebel outcome.
And good outcomes aren't just not bad endings, they need to be one of the top two of five possible. <3
Does this mean that it’s impossible to keep the summit going in the Jarrod+Gisette route? It’d make sense if that was the case, just wondering!
Also, is it possible to get a good peace end for Revaire without romancing Gisette as well? (MEGA SPOILERS BELOW)
I ask because I did an ending where there was an unprecedented era of cooperation for all the countries, and the people of Revaire plus Clarmont were happy and safe, but Sayra was unhappy and plotting to assassinate a certain someone later (the Isle still vanished here, so I think I still got a bad ending for Revaire). I’m guessing the best peace end would have the MC there as well to help Sayra so that she wouldn’t suffer too much?
It is possible to achieve a good peace end without romancing Gisette, but it's definitely one of the hardest things to do.
I... can't remember if it's possible to get a peace ending while married to Jarrod. Not on his full path, but maybe possible on his political marriage route? But I do know that siding with the Revaire Royals will always make future summits impossible.
I'm assuming Gisette wanted Aldaric to marry a certain person/marry on her terms for politically motivated reasons, and Estelle wasn't a good match for that. And since he was already breaking a lot of the "rules" to keep in good graces with the current Revaire royals, well...
I felt bad when I decided to side with the royals (due to not having been able to chose the other side) but at the same time I'm kind of happy that while the ending is sad it also kind of gives the country a little bit of peace? Ok so it was 10 years of bloodshed and people we loved died but hey no more civil war! *sips tea in unethical*
Honestly I felt kinda vindicated seeing that Jarrod and Gisette were completely miserable. Clarmont and Mrs. White may have died, but at least those two are suffering like they deserve. My pirate may have ruined things for Revaire by virtue of being unpersuasive/manipulative, but at least she ruined things for EVERYONE, not just the rebels
Jarrod and Gisette are miserable, but people are not killing one another in the streets. Perfect ending for my super unethical lady who still cares about things such as taking care of her land and not dying.
My ethical Revaire widow is next and I'm hoping she's as much a hoot as last time I played her....
Holy crap me tooooooo. He broke up with me and then wouldn't tell me anything and then fucking bit it. (I figured it out on subsequent efforts and it was wonderful though! <3)
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by any chance, might you be able to hold my hand through this or giving us some kind of vague guide to point us in the right direction by any chance? I really want to full comp the game but unfortunately nowadays with my job i don't have as much time to commit to hours of gaming as I used to so any help would be super awesome ;A;/
Jasper's epilogue is one of the hardest things to achieve in the game - you not only have to succesfully romance him (a challenge) you also have to get all legendary outcomes - this gives an achievement at the end of negotations
you will know you succeeded at legendary outcomes if you see the following lines in the endings:
"And so, Arland and Jiyel slowly transformed one another and in doing so also changed the world."
"And so began a legendary golden age for both Hise and Corval."
"And thus began a time of legendary change for both Wellin and Skalt."
"Although it once seemed an impossible transition, it is not long before former enemies manage to find themselves reluctant, but accepted allies working together to change the fate of a rebuilt Revaire."
For Avalie, I poured a lot of influence in making peace with Jiyel/Arland and giving Jiyel advantage in the negotiations. That, combined with making her my ally, got me her epilogue and the bonus!
No idea about Jasper, maybe he's only happy if you make Katiya's ghost satisfied with the nearly impossible all-legendary outcomes.
He can be a bit superficial… is your delegate a little low on beauty and charm? Those help with his first impression
She's low on both😭 I put way too many points in Manipulation. Thank you for helping!! I'm obsessed with your wonderful game♡
I can confirm that as scheming as Gisette is, she is not behind everything bad thing that happens ^ . ~
I assume it's different on every route (if you're on her path she explains it's because she didn't know how to deal with her Feelings™️ for you, and presumably once we have the rebel origin playable there will be a very obvious reason why), but otherwise this never gets explained and I'm really curious about it!!
Gisette's reasoning are known to me, but thank you so much for taking your time wanting to help ^^much appreciated.
In regards to the assassin before the ball, I concluded these information on him:
- he is linked to the Weavers most likely
- If you are an Aly of Avalie: in the moment of her event we learn more about the weavers (also reading between her lines is advantageous)
- through my multiple different walkthroughs of the game I noticed) that he only attacks if we are an impressive enough MC ( excelling at hosting events, the trial etc., discovering enough secrets and having the right amount of skills)
To pass the check with Avalie and get his date, you need at least 35 insight (which should be quite doable from meeting all the delegates on the first night) and 25 people. I'm not sure if it's possible to pass unless you took a background that gives +People (like the Revaire widow) or chose a bonus to People in character creation!
We can't find it in the EA. We need a hidden background which will be available once the full game is out
I'm pretty sure this has been answered (and a bunch of old guides linked) in the helps and tips thread <3
He has a romance and in my opinion it's quite a good one! Not a traditional romance, perhaps, but it's not anything sleazy, there's mutual respect and fondness there.
You need to have high manipulation, invite him to your musicale, and get some of his romance up with specific clever dialogue choices - usually turning his questions back on him and such. He then stops you on the way to your matchmaker and lets you know the terms of engagement (and if you saw some of his secret scenes you already know a bit of what he expects).
Is he the traditional romance? No. But has my character been kissed more than the other romances? Yes.
Haha I guess not having to worry about approval means you can slink off and be improper all you want! The official romances gotta save most of it for after the wedding, poor things.
Yup, manipulation has to be from character creation. Most of the times when you can earn manipulation in the game, you need to have more manipulation points first to meet the skill check. I only managed to raise manipulation to 110 from a beginning 75 point manipulation character. Or maybe you can get some manipulation after completing certain character's epilogues. Would love to also know if there is a way to get manipulation points up so I can play the sheltered princess route better!
Did he pull you aside in the corridor before talking to the Matchmaker? If he did, I think that unlocks his path. Stuff that helps includes inviting him to your first event (he always says no, but it doesn't use up a slot and probably gets you some romance with him), visiting your room every week (I usually do it 2/3 times and still get his confession), and being nice to your servants. You might also have to do well in the Week 4 trial and figure out the Historians' secret chain to do his romance, but I haven't tried it yet, so I'm not sure.
Oh I completed all of those! Turns out you can't miss a single chance to visit him in your room which I did in order to get some secrets instead @_@. Thanks so much for your help, wouldn't have been able to do it without you :D
I beelined for Jasper first as soon as the demo came out and also aimed for him first as soon as the game got EA, and I can confirm that you don't need to finish the historian chain to successfully romance Jasper, but the ending is definitely a lot happier if you do (yup, I totally went back for him multiple times). To unlock his epilogue though, you need to finish the historian chain AND complete some legendary requirements, which I have yet to do. Like the previous post commented, visit your room every week, be nice to servants (stand up for Sarya, offer them your breakfast, etc). For Imogen's trial make sure you ask him why the head butler won't let you question Imogen, BUT make sure you don't push him for more info a little bit afterwards when you notice that he is tired and invite him to sit down and talk with you.
Jarrod doesn't get the Matchmaker's seal of approval, so you can't ask him out. He'll approach you later if he likes you enough.
If you want to end up romancing him, at the matchmakers, you must ask about your other options and Jarrod should be one of them. To proceed, you must keep insisting that you love Jarrod and at the end of the meeting, you can select him as the path you wish to pursue.
There's an epilogue for Lisle - not sure what's needed for it tho? Was friendship at max? To get the epilogue, make sure you get the 'unbreakable bond with x' achievement, there's one that should be triggered for Lisle too. Make sure you do all the 'spend time with your intended' actions, and in week 6, keep spending time with him until you get that achievement. That + a good ending for Wellin should be enough, I think? At least it seemed to be enough for me, but I don't know if I accidentally checked some boxes that I wasn't aware of
Ahhhh but I think you can't get the epilogues if you go for the political marriage tho! You have to be on his companionship route, so that's a matchmaker approved marriage. You have to have selected him when the matchmaker asks who you're going for
+ I'd also add not being selfish or immoral at all, cuz even if you pass one of the checks by having high manipulation, he'll dump you later on in week 5 if he gets the sense that you're immoral, and especially if you throw the trial
I finally got the achievement for Lisle and his epilogue! I didn't realize that you were supposed to take the initiative to invite him out during week 3 even though he never gives you a gift. Thanks for all of your help!
Just to confirm did you see all 3 rebel scenes b4 this? The other thing is I believe you need to be persuasive enough. (like 395? is what I see on a guide)
I do have high persuasion, as for the rebel faction I saw the kitchen scene in the first week, overheard jarrod and gisette at the cliffs in the second week, but from what I can see in the wiki that I probably have missed mrs white's dialogue in week 5.. I'll try reload from and old save: thank you so much for the help!
There's a guide thread, check there. Someone linked a couple guides at the end of the thread about the Revaire endings
During his meeting, you have to pick "I would advise you against telling women you find the idea of having a wife limiting and a bother" and head to the training room after. If you have the correct version to eventually friendzone him, he will be seen yelling at a servant which awards +5 courage and manipulation (important to end up reforming him in the end!).
To prevent being rivals with him, you will have to reach for a high 450 persuasion but I hope this helps solve your problem!
okay their ending was quite easy to get late game, especially compared to Avalie's and Jasper's. But overall their ending is one of the better ones
tart with max manipulation and some charm (need for Jarrod's route)
Romance Gisette fully
Immoral Mc (A MUST)
Lead Jarrod on, like get his date pick the right choices, visit him week 2, give him a gift. But also get 500 persuasion, so you can reject him but still remain friends.
Don't forget to complete the rebel's chain.
OK I must just be dumb because even Avalie and all Legendary was pretty easy for me (once I read all the guides out there lol)
I did all of that already, I choose to side with the Revaire royals, then I still get a scene with Sarya as if I'm not betraying her, then she and Clarmont gets poisoned, and I have no idea what to do during negotiations. I always choose "Talk about the positives" and "Gain allies for current regime" but it always end in war and Jarrod dies T_T
Also, I think it's beauty that helps on Jarrod's route, not charm. He's a shallow idiot
Update: I FINALLY realized what I was doing wrong! I just needed to find the rebel chain without having high approval or Sarya's confession! Also not having Katie's legacy as my public ambition (while having another secret one) might've helped.
Yeah as soon as I saw the option "be tried as war criminals" I thought "she's definitely gonna stab me for this". But you know what, kinda worth it ( me a simp for hot morally complicated women)
Poor Clarmont...but I get it, gotta complete all the possible routes even if they're horrible lol. I really wanted the manipulation bonus for Jarrod/Gisette, but felt guilty for Sarya and the rebels. I'll make it up to them in my future playthroughs
Yup yup! All without NG+ bonuses! It was a lot of fine tuning and probably the most time I've spent on a calculator and Excel spreadsheets since I graduated from college 😂 No room for error in order to get the stats just right for everything but I managed to pull it off!
My Hise, Corval, and Wellin MCs actually didn't need any changing (thank goodness an ethical Wellin MC can convince Ana for peace in week 6 without 415 persuasion), my Revaire MC needed some minor adjustments so I could have enough persuasion and get enough diplomacy flags to impress the ambassadors and speak up during the week 6 welcome feast, my Arland MC needed some adjustment to be persuasive enough to convince Ana for peace, and my Jiyel MC was the one who needed the most adjustments made to have the persuasion and interpersonal insight necessary for weeks 6 and 7. I can't tell you how many times I had to start over because I was just a TINY bit off from passing a necessary skill check 😭😭😭 But I did it in the end!
Jarrod isn't irredeemable, just not when he is still in power and still gets what he wants. And you can't romance him if he loses power because he resents you for it, which makes sense as what he feels about an MC that romances him is closer to infatuation than true love.
What I think is the problem here is that the game doesn't indicate you are maintaining a relationship with Jarrod after you get the golden ending for him and Revaire. After all the effort to redeem him, he isn't mentioned as your friend during the friendship section, which is unrewarding and gives players less space for a post-Summit romancing Jarrod headcanon.
I'd love to see Aly add a friendship section in the epilogue for Jarrod, but the game is already so massive and took so long to make, requests should be made in moderation.
To be fair, even in his best ending, Jarrod strikes me as kind of an “out of sight, out of mind” kind of guy. I can’t really see him putting in the effort to write letters and keep up correspondence with anyone who isn’t directly relevant to him - so maybe it would only be viable to stay friends if the MC ends up in Revaire at the end of the game? Not sure if he gets any extra epilogue content on those routes or not.
Agree with everything in this thread, but also bc I thought taming and romancing him would let me be able to be a horrible evil queen of Revaire perfectly self-aware and actually in charge...
Jarrod exists, first and foremost, as commentary on misogyny and romanticization of abuse in the genre, which means that any indication that your love for him is capable of changing him undermines the character's reason for existing in the first place. (I specify "your love for him" because outside of physical attraction or the thrill of the chase, I just don't get the feeling he actually likes MC all that much?) He also, frankly, lacks the self-awareness to reflect on the possibility of change as necessary; why would he, if he already gets everything he wants? (Gisette, whatever her other flaws, does not have this problem.)
Edited for formatting/minor rewording.